Marriage of John Thompson born Elsdon 1791

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I looked at Birdhopecraig records today.  There’s not a lot to add to Alan’s findings other than places of residence.

James (1816) was born Elsdon:  Thomas, John and Robert were born at Monkridge Hall and William was born Heatherwick.

Williams baptism entry was quite interesting.  Firstly it’s the only one which describes his father as being a Tailor.  Also the minister had taken to making notes against the names - William’s said 5s 6c which I finally figured was a short form of 5th son of 6 children.  This fits exactly with what we now have.

Unfortunately there was no mention of any of the other children and I didn’t have time to look at Otterburn.  I’ll do that next time.

I did find a potential baptism for Margaret in Elsdon PRs.  Using her age of 46 in 1839 there is a baptism in 1793 -

7th  (possibly 27th) April 1793 - Margaret daughter of James and Eleanor Thompson of Kirkhouse.

If she is the right one it blows my naming pattern theory out of the water 

Christine

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Thanks Christine for the info., and well figured out with notes against William's baptism, I would probably have taken it as 5/6d. !!

I've found yet another tree on Ancestry, with the same John Thompson and family, it has all the same birth dates etc., but has an Elizabeth as John' wife, but also has the children split and some listed under "unknown spouse"?? so presume he thinks John married twice,  he has been on line today, so may get an answer from this one.

I really appreciate the time you have given to this, once again many thanks.


Jenny

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I would probably have taken it as 5/6d. !!

My first thought was money, too 

I don't see how there can be two mothers on this one - Margaret is named as mother to the oldest children and also to Margaret in 1839.  There are a lot of Thompsons around though and as I said before, it would be very easy to go astray.

Hope you get a response from the 'Ancestry man'.

Christine

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Hi Christine, red herring I'm afraid!  received message re ancestry, the chap had put the last few children born as "siblings of another spouse" because like us he  couldn't locate Margaret, and found another Thompson lady of the same age, residence etc.  We now have another researcher grateful for your 'digging'.

As you say so easy to go astray.

Jenny

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Excellent that you got a response - it so often doesn't happen

As for going astray -

Looking for a baptism of John in or around 1791 nothing was found but I did see one in 1792 for Margaret, daughter of James and Eleanor Thompson of Killhouse and I was wondering whether she could be his sister.

I did find a potential baptism for Margaret in Elsdon PRs. Using her age of 46 in 1839 there is a baptism in 1793 -

7th (possibly 27th) April 1793 - Margaret daughter of James and Eleanor Thompson of Kirkhouse.

I'm thinking that this is the same information!  Wife or sister 

Christine

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I checked Otterburn Presbyterian records (starting in 1835) but no Thompsons there.  I don’t know where to look next.

One thing that surprised us all (including the archivist!) was that I found a handwritten transcript of Elsdon marriages 1813 - 1830 taken from the Bishop’s Transcripts.  There was the John and Margaret 1815 marriage which shows John came from Otterburn and Margaret from a little place called Landshot (t) which is about 1 mile away from Elsdon village.

Finally I double checked the Margaret baptism - it was definitely in 1793 though everything was so grubby it was difficult to see when the year changed which is why I originally thought 1792.  These old parish records can be a bit of a challenge.

Christine

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Thanks for all your help on this Christine.

I've found another Ancestry tree, listing Margaret as born in Landshot, Elsdon  in 1798, (wonder if the '8' has been misread and should be 1793?) and died 12.09.1844 The Folly, Elsdon., it also has a Thomas Elliott as her father.  I haven't looked to see if I can see any connection to the Elliott name, with Margaret, but would you think it's worth a try?

No idea where to go next on this one.  I have located quite a lot of dates/locations etc., for John's son William (my GG Grandfather), so just hoping the other siblings are not as difficult as their parents!!

Once again thanks for your help and patience.

Jenny

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I think I should look at Elsdon records for 1798.  As we now know that Margaret was living in Landshot when she married then it's worth a try - remembering that I only stumbled across the 1793 one when I was looking for John in 1791.  I didn't actually go in search of Margaret.  There could well be others given the number of Thompsons in the area!

Christine

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I'm having such a hectic week I forgot to report back!

Just to confirm that Elsdon records do not have a baptism for Margaret in 1798 so I think you could be right that 1793 has been mistranscribed or misread.  What puzzles me is that there is no mention of Landshot in the 1793 baptism - just in her marriage record.  I have to assume that the person responsible for the tree has just put the two records together.

Christine