ASHTON - Cheadle

[Aaron Clancy]

Please help!
I am looking for Marriage details of Amy Ashton, mother of Sampson Ashton and his unknown father who it seems, like Sampson, was also an engine driver.

Sampson was born between 1834-39 in Cheadle, Stockport, Cheshire. He married Rachel Higginbottom, a Weaver, on 29 Dec 1856 at St. Mary’s Church, Cheadle. Both Rachel and Sampson were living in Brinksway in between Cheadle and Stockport at the time of their wedding where Sampson was a Fireman. Sampson died 14 December 1921, age 93 at Albert Rd, Birkenhead. Buried in Pompallier Anglican Cemetery, Glenfield, Auckland, Block C, Plot 119.

Sampson was on Electorate rolls in Christchurch 1880-90 and in Greymouth, West Coast 1900 - 14, and in Waitemata, Auckland 1919. In 1841 census of Bulkeley, Cheadle, Stockport, Cheshire there is an Amy Ashton, born 1811, mother of Sampson, born 1839. In 1851 census of Hayfield/Dinting (near Glossop) a Sampson Ashton, age 14 (born in Stockport) is living with Grandparents William Clayton & Deborah (age 65 & 64), but this seems unlikely to be him as this Sampson was born 1837/9.

Deborah was born about 1786 in Glossop, Derbyshire/ Bretherton, Lancashire & William born 2 Oct 1786 in Chinly, Derbyshire. They also had a son named Sampson Clayton. Neither of their two daughters could have had Sampson Ashton as they didn’t marry an Ashton. It is most likely Deborah may have been an Ashton before marriage, but this needs more investigating.

I have also found 3 other Amy Ashtons of Stockport area, one born about 1790 in Hyde, Cheshire who married William Ashton, another who was born abt 1854. An Amy Ashton also married Orlando Hague in 1840 at St Marys, Cheadle.

Split from original thread for better response

[rosie99]

Have you considered this birth ?

June qtr 1839
Sampson Clayton  Stockport  19 229

Rosie

[Aaron Clancy]

Message was same as above...

[PaulineJ]

ERm why do you not start with the birth certificate relating to this 1841 census entry?

"In 1841 census of Bulkeley, Cheadle, Stockport, Cheshire there is an Amy Ashton, born 1811, mother of Sampson, born 1839"

what parental information was on the 1856 marriage, and what names witness?

[mshrmh]

In 1841 census of Bulkeley, Cheadle, Stockport, Cheshire there is an Amy Ashton, born 1811, mother of Sampson, born 1839.

In the 1841 census relationships were not stated - Amy & Sampson are in the same household, not necessarily mother & son. Also for those age 15 and over ages were rounded, so her given age there of 30 means 30-34 so birth roughly 1806-1811. As Sampson was stated as 2 that is more likely to be accurate (always allowing for faulty memories, transcriptions etc).

As you refer to "unknown father" was the father's name left blank on the 1856 marriage certificate? 

The birth found by rosie99 is listed on Cheshire BMD as Sampson Clayton, mother's maiden name Ashton, so looks a strong possibility to me for the 1841 2 year old child - the certificate would tell you if the mother was Amy.

I'm inclined to think the 1851 census you found for a 14 year old Sampson is him - especially in view of the birth registration. Ages can be inaccurate - some people were innumerate, some deliberately misstated ages for their own reasons, errors were made in transcribing from household schedules to the enumerators (those we see) - there are often discrepancies.

I agree with Rosie & Pauline & suggest purchasing the birth certificate - at the moment I can't see that you've established the name of either of Sampson's parents, so this should help.

[heatherjulie]

Do you have a copy of Sampson and Rachel's marriage certificate?

Heather

[Marmalady]

Sampson was born between 1834-39 in Cheadle, Stockport, Cheshire. He married Rachel Higginbottom, a Weaver, on 29 Dec 1856 at St. Mary’s Church, Cheadle, Glossop, Derbyshire.

This does not make sense

Was the marriage at St Mary's Cheadle Cheshire or at a church in Glossop Derbyshire?
It cannot be both Cheadle & Glossop as they are some 15-20 miles apart

[heatherjulie]

It's St Mary's Cheadle.

 Cheshire BMD

[Aaron Clancy]

Wow!!! Thanks so much to everyone for helping, what a wonderfull surprise after work  The 1851 Census of Dinting, Whitfield, I previously mentioned has only Sampson Ashton mentioned on the original record. On the transcript there was Sampson Clayton mentioned! Perhaps Sampson was born a Clayton! Did his mother in fact have an illegitimate child to a Clayton and this would in fact make this family's connections make more sense? Was the marriage at St Mary's, Cheadle with Orlando Hague in fact her? But wouldn't it be mentioned in the census of 1841!

As to the questions about marriage cert...yes I have outlined the details except it says he was born and married in Chessel/Chissel, Lancashire on his Death Cert also. I have yet to find his birth Cert so hopefully this Sampson Clayton is in fact my ancestor:) In the 1841 census of this Clayton family there was a Sampson Clayton born in Chinley, Derbyshire in 1811! Is this his father???

Just found John Wild & William Sultcliffe were the witnesses on marriage cert.
Also Marriage of Wiliam Clayton & Deborah Hawley in Macclesfield on 4 Jan 1808.