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Offline Jane Eden

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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire
« Reply #27 on: Friday 23 September 05 07:32 BST (UK) »
Hi

My greatgrandfather owned a lace factory in Long Eaton Derbyshire and it was passed on to my grandpa and his brothers.  They led a comfortable life and their staff were treated fairly.

FWK in the 19th century was a poor occupation with the frame owners making the money and the knitters families working all hours for little money. A dreadful existance, talk about poverty. The Luddites started in Nottingham as a rebellion against high rents for frames, a bit like Robin Hood. The frames that were used for quick straight pieces of material which were then finished by seamers, all earning next to nothing, rather than producing fully fashioned stockings were smashed. A law was passed, which Lord Byron opposed, to hang anyone caught smashing frames. People were indeed hung. This was in the early 1800s. An enquiry in 1844 found their conditions deplorable, overcrowding, poverty and 14 hour days, with hosiers charging high frame rents, substituting goods instead of regular wages and for 1 woman because she couldn't work due to pregnancy and other family commitments had to pay the hosier a fine!

The window in Christs College is tall and narrow depicting Gulielmus Lee holding a mini version of an early frame. There is a maroon back drop. He is wearing a royal blue jacket and emerald green 'floppy hat' and 'swathed in a green sheet of material' (sorry don't know the correct terms for the clothing). The name is below his feet and then below that is a heraldic shield, 3 crooses acros the top, blue and yellow checks across the middle and 3 more crosses at the bottom. At the very top of the window there is a yellow portcullis.

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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 24 September 05 11:18 BST (UK) »
Jane,
I love the way this thread has slowly revealed more and more details of the whole FWK subject, thanks to you and others.
And due to your explicit description I can hardly fall over that window in Christ's College and not notice it now, can I?  All I need to do is try and fight my way past the porter's lodge and have a good look at it, maybe take a picture if I'm allowed - perhaps this weekend...
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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 28 September 05 19:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Jane andKeith,
I have been looking at the poll book for Nottingham for 1754 and was amazed to see how many FWK workers were listed as voters. Firstly, I always thought the poll was fixed and not ordinary folk had the vote and secondly howwidespread the knitworkers were in the whole county at that time. Lots of Wilkinson but I doubt they were of our family but surprisingly no Fells.
Did you get the Rev's photo from Cambridge, Keith?
Gerald
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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 28 September 05 20:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Gerald

Only yesterday I was looking at electoral registers for the first time. I was looking at 1873 - 1886 in Derbyshire. There were the rich ones over £50 rateable value but mine were in rateable value £12 & under £50 rental or occupation voters other than lodgers.

I'm not too clear about these categories and I will get clarification next time I go to my local archives (Nottingham) which I go to most weeks. But it did reassure me that certainly at the end of the 19th century it wasn't just the really rich who could vote, the fact it was only men of course I won't comment on as I don't want to open up a hornets nest.

I have got Sheila Masons book out of the library at the moment, Nottingham Lace 1760s-1950s. This goes into great detail about every aspect of FWK and the development into steam powered machines, the jacquard machinery which allowed it all to become automated. It details the numbers of machines through the 3 counties, Derbys, Leics and Notts and the factories some of which are familiar to me. Well worth a read.

I have recently found some samples of lace from grandpas factory from the 1940s in amongst some old photos. I will have a good look at them when I get time. If they are great interest I may be able to scan them and post them on here. (I've been too busy at work recently to get much done).

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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 28 September 05 23:59 BST (UK) »
Hi Gerald,
As Mr Crowe kept saying in the film "Gladiator", not yet, not yet.  The weekend turned differently from expected, but it's definitely on the urgently pending list - the snap of the Rev. Lee, I mean
And Jane, keep all this excellent first-hand detail of this remarkable industry coming....great!
Keith

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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 06 October 05 15:01 BST (UK) »
I have just come across an article called "Allabout fabrics.especially the lace industry" on a web site http://www.btinternet.com/-nttsue/TradeFrabrics.html
(the hyphen is wrinkled-a sign not on a Spanish keyboard). It is too long to copy but gives the history of the hosiery and lace trade. At this end is a useful site list.
Gerald
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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 06 October 05 15:21 BST (UK) »
Gerald,
Well done with this latest contribution to the melting pot (or framework might be a better description).  Glad to say that good old Anglican keyboards have a wrinkled hyphen key, so we can enjoy the link! (I wonder what the correct technical term is - I have absolutely no idea being a commuter dinosaur, but I'm sure somebody on this site will put us right...)
Ashamed to say that I went on a trip yesterday to Bury St. Edmunds in Suffolk on the family history quest, but STILL have not made the mile-long journey down the road to photo that memorial window.  Definitely top sheet in the pending tray, though...
Keith

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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 06 October 05 15:26 BST (UK) »
Corrected url
http://www.btinternet.com/~nttsue/TradeFabrics.html
Wrinkled hyphen key - tylde ~
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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 06 October 05 19:13 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Guy. I suppose as in Spain we have the Ñ (n tilde) we don't  get a tilde standing alone. I least I can copy your link.
Gerald
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