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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire
« Reply #126 on: Monday 01 February 10 11:31 GMT (UK) »
Hello,  My name is Di and I have just found your site as I'm trying to find more information about family members.
I live in New South Wales, Australia.
Some of my family members came to Australia in about 1844.
One of my uncles was born in 1908 and as a boy of 10 yrs, went to work with his father clearing land for farming (He was given an axe for Christmas). Later, he helped his father build a house with slab walls,a bark roof and bags hung inside for walls - the floor was earth. They lived on native animals that they shot in the bush and rabbits which they also used as skins for blankets etc. And this life was better than the life that earlier family members left behind in England.
I've found it very interesting reading the information here as it gives me an insight into the lives of some of our family, who were knitters and coal miners.
The family I am trying to trace is Worth and the family lived  in Bagworth, (my information has them there between 1605 and about 1639).
But the family is also listed in Stanton, Thornton (1660 to 1741).
Markfield (1757 to 1873),two brothers died in 1780, could they  have been caught up in the Luddite trouble in that year?                         
 Cheers Di


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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire
« Reply #127 on: Saturday 31 July 10 11:20 BST (UK) »
Hello, I'm new to Rootschat and am interested in FWKs in Nottingham. My ancestor Sampson Hooley was a FWK in Nottingham in the 1820-30s. He went to France for a few years with his family and I wondered if anyone know whether it could be connected with his work. Did FWKs travel? Family 'legend' has is that he went to St Etienne which is close to Lyon, the silk weavers city.
Any thoughts would be most welcome.

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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire
« Reply #128 on: Wednesday 01 December 10 17:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

rather a delayed response I'm afraid: I'm new to this (fascinating) thread. It's very likely that your ancestor went to St Etienne. A lot of Nottingham FWKs emigrated or travelled regularly to France. However, the most popular destination was Calais, where an English enclave developed, centered on the lace industry. Nottinghamians were instrumental in mechanising the local manufacture of lace. Bonington (father of the artist), Webster and Clark are credited with smuggling the first Leavers machines into France in about 1816.
There is a large and modern lace museum in Calais ('Cité de Dentelle'), with working Leavers machines, and some Nottingham memorabilia (eg brass plates from Jardine lace machines).

Can't help you on St Etienne specifically I'm afraid, but their local museum will be able to help you.

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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire
« Reply #129 on: Wednesday 01 December 10 20:08 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat,
Mithral, Hoolley and Antoine, (apologies for the delay with the greetings, but haven't been on here for some time)
Seems ages ago since I tentatively started this thread, but it really has been an amazing gathering together of fascinating details and relevant links...
Your last comments, Antoine, are particularly interesting!
Regards, keith


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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire
« Reply #130 on: Wednesday 01 December 10 21:04 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Antoine, I didn't know about the Calais museum. Do you (or anyone) know of a similar one in St Etienne? I understood, mainly from the FWK museum in Ruddington, Notts that they were a poor lot, it just seems very interesting that he and his family would up sticks from Nottingham to go all the way to St Etienne. They had two more children there, one being my great grandmother, but alas, on the census she is recorded as being born in France!

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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire
« Reply #131 on: Sunday 05 December 10 21:16 GMT (UK) »
There is certainly an industrial  museum in St Etienne, which has a textiles section. I can't say whether it would have anything of relevance to your particular interest. I suggest you get in touch with them (details will be available on the web, I'm sure). In my experience of contacting museums, you will either get a very helpful response, or no reply whatsoever...

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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire
« Reply #132 on: Tuesday 14 December 10 20:54 GMT (UK) »
Not only Notts lacehands went to Calais. I have someone in my tree - George Windram - who was a lacerunner in Leicester,and spent some years working in Calais.

In 1846 there was an parliamentary enquiry into electoral fraud in Leicester; and George went back to Calais,allegedly to avoid being called to give evidence to the enquiry committee!

You can read more about this here:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0aql/

you will need to page back to read the full enquiry and it doesn't tell you much about lacemaking or FWK, but several FWK were called to give evidence and it confirms the Leic-Calais link.

I am coming v late to this thread and haven't read it all - is there a link here to the enquiries of 1819 and 1844 on conditions of the FWK trade? If not, I'll post some.


Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire
« Reply #133 on: Wednesday 15 December 10 10:25 GMT (UK) »
Fascinating stuff !

I would appreciate it if you would post the links to the enquiries of 1819 and 1844.

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Re: Framework Knitters, Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire
« Reply #134 on: Thursday 16 December 10 09:50 GMT (UK) »
The 1819 report into the FWK petition:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0aqx/

Luddite writings of the time:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0aqy/

Can't find a digestible link atm for the 1845 report (it's not a digestible report!) but here's a good extract fromit, from the Barrow on Soar village website:

http://www.leicestershirevillages.com/barrowuponsoar/frameworkknittersreportofthecomm.html
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)