Bate and Lucas families, Wolverhampton

[ciderdrinker]

Good Morning,
Started the search and here's what I've found so far.
Staffordshire Archives -apprenticeship of Elizabeth Nichols age 7 to John Bate of Tettenhall yeoman 8/12/1759.
List of papists and suspected papists 1767 diocise of Lichfield.
Constables book 1713-1841 of Tettenhall
Tithes for Tettenhall.
The last 3 may have a reference to John ,but I can't check on line.
In London for Michael Bate
A baptism at St Mary at hill London 23.2.1777 to John and Pheobe(a bit late?)
Burial  St Andrew Holborn age 58 30.8.1822 Dorrington St
1790 Holden's directory fishmonger27  St Mary's Hill
1796 Poll book same address
Fire Insurance policy 1.1.1779 and will 2212.1798 on London lives suggests the fishmonger may not be your man as he's too old.
There's an entry at the National Archives for William Bate an excise man in 1832, but again a bit late.There are 2 voters books for Meards St Soho 1802 1nd 1896 but without an occupation it's difficult to tell if it's him.
I can't find Tettenhall baptisms on line for the right date but they must be at Staffordshire Archives  or Wolverhampton.
Will keep digging
Ciderdrinker
Just found something extra William Bate steel toy maker had a loan of John Bate (yours ) in 1801 ref DX102/1-9 with reference to his will and William Bate Colonial Foundling Hospital Middlesex excise man of London and Ann spinster daughter for a building in Brickkiln St.It's at Wolverhampton.
Also various deeds for a John Bate Toovey of Wolverhampton.

[ciderdrinker]

Hi Fran
Found the marriage for Hannah Bate to John Toovey 26.6.1788 at Aston Juxta
Possbile for Michael Bate 26.8.1782 St Clement Danes Elizabeth Murray.
John Bate Toovey was born in 1799 in Tettenhall according to the censuses but I can't see a baptism.
1861 Waterloo St Wolverhampton
John Bate Toovey 62 bank manager Tettenhall
Elizabeth 64 Salford Warwickshire
EdwaRD 27 Hardware foreman  Wolverhampton
Frances 25
Charles 24 hardware
Mary J 16
and 2 servants
Baptisms at ST Paul and St Peter Fred 11.1.1842,Edward 23.9.1833 and Charles 9.2.1837.
They married at Salford Priors Warwickshire 9.7.1824.
John BaTE Toovey's will ,died 30.11.1873 £2000 of Wolverhampton late of Horsefall House Cotham Grove Bristol proved at Principal Reg Office by John Williams farmer and Frances Williams his wife and daughter of Chapel Hill  Bridgewater.
He's in the Poll books from 1833 orig Chapel Yard 7 houses North Road.
Which gets us back to John Bate.I'm sorry but I made a mistake with the burial of Sarah d of John,it is actually his wife who died 10.6.1771.There is a possible marriage at Kingswinford to Sarah Jones 22.6.1755.All this means the children must be born 1755-1771 which is older than I thought and therefore so is John Bate.
There is a possible baptism for him at St Peter's Wolverhampton 26.12.1728 to Michael Bate and a sister Elizabeth 12.8.1731.Micheal married a Mary Martland 12.4.1726.A burial for Micheal 14.11.1733.
Will press on
Ciderdrinker

[Scranpot]

What a haul! Many thanks for all this info, I really do think you are a star sleuth! Will follow these up when I can, so many interesting leads. Much more interesting than packing parcels and writing cards ...

Fancy John Toovey's name being mispelled in John Bate's will - I wonder if his and Hannah's son James Tovey is really the John Bate Toovey you have found? (Oh no he can't be, the will is dated 1796 and John Bate Toovey was born in 1799.)

Again, if it's OK with you I will put what you have found on ancestry and see if it throws up any links?

The London Bate brothers - I did do some digging in the trade directories at the Westminster Archive, and found three entries for someone called William Bate - one in Holden's Triennial 1805-06, a 'taylor and salesman' of 2 Monmouth Street, St Giles; and two in Holden's 1811 - a 'salesman' in 2 Monmouth Street, again, and a 'painter in enamels to Her Royal Highness Princess Elizabeth' of 52 Margaret Street, Cavendish Square: neither of these sounds much like an Officer of Excise! And I couldn't find a Michael Bate at all.

The possible baptism at St Peter's Wolverhampton in 1728 - the font at St Peter's dates back to about 1480, must have a look next time! ( I do need to spend more time in Wolverhampton ...)

Fran

[ciderdrinker]

Good Morning
I'm afraid you are going to have to spend some more time at Wolverhampton.
Sorry about that.And of course you can add those names to the Ancestry family tree.I think James and John Bate Toovey must be brothers but again no baptisms to report.
John Toovey was a tenant of John Bate's at Sedgley Lower side according to the 1798 land redemption tax.His rent was 9s and 2d.John Bate also owned land in Wednesfield and Codsall.
Just to add John Bate Toovey's wife was a Elizabeth Heath(sorry I missed of her surname).And it does look as though they were all catholics.Daughter Frances is being educated at Stanbrook Covent Worcestershire in 1851.
Can't spot a whole lot more at the moment,so good luck for now.

Ciderdrinker

[Scranpot]

Many thanks! And for this extra info. It is hard to figure exactly when they became (or came out as!) Catholics - in John Bate's Will he has a pew in the parish church ...

Fran

[Scranpot]

Ciderdrinker, can you tell me where you found the Hannah Bate/John Toovey marriage in 1788? Usually I can find marriages on IGI but not this one ...

Fran

[ciderdrinker]

Yes it was on Familysearch under England marriages 1538-1973.I typed in Hannah Bate marriage to a spouse Toovey and that was the only answer to come up.

Ciderdrinker

[Scranpot]

Ah, thanks - I haven't previously got beyond the first search page, now I will dig a bit deeper!

Fran

[ciderdrinker]

Sorry not on the right track,thought i had something but no.
ciderdrinker