Bate and Lucas families, Wolverhampton

[weste]

Like already said a lot of Bate name around the Staffordshire area and I think there's few buried in bilston cemetery and that was open from the mid 1850's so worth considering. Also if planning a trip to wolvo,there's heritage days 12-15 sept and the churches participate in it and some have guided tours as well getting around them on your own and other places are participating in it. I've bate families but come from great wyrley ,Cannock areas.

[Scranpot]

Many thanks for all this! You are kind, and clearly have research skills years beyond mine ... I'd assumed that William and Lucy must have got married in Wolverhampton, but of course there's not logical reason why (and you'd have thought, after you found that William John Bate and Ann Lucas had got married in Birmingham it might have occurred to me to look ...)

I might leave the Bate family alone for a bit and have a go at my Scottish ancestors. Though one of my Bates, Thomas son of William John the linguist, moved to Cannock and it has been very confusing researching him because there are lots of Bates in Cannock (presumably yours!)

Thanks again.

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[weste]

There's bate and bates. There is sometimes different generations of the same lot. There is several marriages between same families in areas as village. I've got a few William, Thomas, marry ann and now a fellow volunteer researcher has linked me into a matthew bate who married a whitehouse, shed loads of those but that one is the daughter of a whitehouse and one of my daces. That's just one double connection I've got . I've got the cheslyn hay Methodist cd and the great wyrley st marks so if you have anything you want me to look up in those let me know!

[Scranpot]

How cavalier they were with their names! The William Lacon who moved to Scotland in the 1890s gives his mother's maiden name as Bates, so of course every generation of Scottish Lacons after him thinks she was a Bates. And one branch of the Lacons who emigrated to the US decided their name was La Con, presumably thinking it sounded French and a bit less common!

And I find these double connections (I have a female Lacon who married a Bate, if that's what you mean), very confusing, having to juggle two lots of Bates who have no connection that I'm aware of ...

I'm wondering now if Thomas Bate moved to Cannock because there was already a family connection. (But who with ... Do you ever wish you had been born a Marjoribanks or a Cholmondleigh? Fewer to go at ...)

Thanks for the look up offer. Thomas Bate was baptised a Catholic, but one daughter (Caroline) got married in St Luke's C of E Church, Cannock, and another (Susannah) in St Paul's C of E Church in Wednesbury, so I'm guessing he didn't keep up his religion. In the 1911 census he is living at 132 Wolverhampton Road, Cannock which looks on the map to be not far from Gt Wyrley and Cheslyn Hay, so if I come across any marriages that look likely I'll get back to you!

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[weste]

There are several Thomas Bate round the area. particularly a pocket of bate families in station street. If I remember right a rosina bate married a Thomas s Heath. Don't know whether that's the same families. You may want to explore.