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Offline anpefa1

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Re: who is the daddy?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 13 April 12 21:56 BST (UK) »
hello pru, et al,

i did not realise that this would turn into a topic as my initial purpose was to post a conundrum, however, i am now glad that i did as it has opened some interesting doors.

pru, the marriage took place in the same district as the previous marriage (not sure about the parish in the district)

it is interesting to note that the original ban came from the church before it was enacted in civil law but i now wonder about the genetic (dna) side of the relationship.

thus far i have got to 1881, so the relationship lasted, fair play to that man.

"B" if you are "listening" in, the connection you made via the names was very astute.

bye for now

tony 

uk. beale, bateman, buss, bacon, pratt, purssell, reynolds, stamford, sumpter, sailsbury, turner, white nee phillips.
eire. carroll, connor, cronin, daly, fellowes, fitzgerald, gaynor, girvan, keogh, meade, moroney, reilly, whelan, white, winterlich.
scotland: mcavoy

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Re: who is the daddy?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 15 April 12 20:06 BST (UK) »
Under ecclesiastical law, a marriage within the prohibited degrees was not absolutely void but it was voidable at the suit of any interested party. For this reason, Charles, the younger brother of Jane Austen, was able to marry his deceased wife's sister in 1820 and to remain married to her until he died in 1852. The Marriage Act 1835, however, hardened the law into an absolute prohibition (whilst, however, authorising any such marriages which had already taken place), so that such marriages could no longer take place in Great Britain at all. Such marriages from that date had to take place abroad: see, for example, William Holman Hunt and John Collier, both painters, who married the sisters of their deceased wives in Italy and in Norway respectively. But this was only possible for those who could afford it..................................................

The Deceased Wife's Sister's Marriage Act 1907 removed the prohibition (although it allowed individual clergy, if they chose, to refuse to conduct marriages which would previously have been prohibited). But the Act did exactly what it said and no more. So, for example, . it was not until 1921 that the Deceased Brother's Widow's Marriage Act 1921 was passed). Relationship Act 1931 extended the operation of the 1907 Act to allow the marriages of nieces and nephews by marriage as well.

Hope this makes things clear!

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Re: who is the daddy?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 23 April 12 13:15 BST (UK) »
One of my GG grandmothers was widowed and subsequently married her husband's brother.  The dates and sequence of events are revealing!

Husband 1 dies in 1829.
Marries his brother in Feb 1835. (The Marriage Act came into force later that year).  They did not marry in their usual parish of residence.

Now something we didn't notice for a long time:  one of the daughters assumed to be from the first marriage was not in fact born until 1831 - two years after the death of Husband 1.  :o No father's name is shown at her baptism, but no other comment.

So I suspect that GG Grandma got together with bro-in-law earlier, and they didn't marry because they were afraid of contravening the Church rules.  The 1831 baby is most likely his.  Then when they realised that the marriage was soon to be forbidden in the law of the land as well, they panicked and got married out of their parish to make it legal in law while there was still time!  ;D

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