Thomas Ford Acey in Holme Upon Spalding Moor

[bendywendy]

1861 cen see's Sarah Jane Acey c1855 - with her mother Mary and siblings William 9, Henry 7 & Hannah Jane 3. Her father is not on this cen, her mother states wife of Ag Lab born Preston. Living Cottage, Burton Pidsea.  RG9/3600

1861 cen cannot locate her father Thomas Acey

1871 cen see's Sarah Jane Acey c1855 - with both parents Thomas 40, head, Gentlemen Labourer born FITLING, Mary 40 siblings William 14, Sarah 15, Hannah 13, Frederick 9 & Rose A 3. Living 14 Silwell Sq, Sutton, Hull. RG10/4773

1881 cen Sarah was now married since 1872 to Thomas William Walker, but no sight of them, according to the info on LDS they would most likely have been in Little Burrow, Lancashire as a son Henry 1880 was born there.

After this census the LDS shows children born / buried in Salt Lake City etc

[rbarkman]

Yes, we're aware of the 'Nancy Acey" reference in the old IGI.  Of course, Nancy and Ann can be synonyms (never understood why, but I've seen it more than once).  My problem with anything that comes from the old IGI is that it has zero provenance - it could be based on hearsay and half-remembered half truths.  In this case, there is probably more basis than in others, because it's the likely the original informant was Sarah Jane, and she ought to have had some idea what her grandmother was called.  We've tried writing to Everett Booth and William Norris - the latter came back 'no such address', and we believe the former died earlier this year, but we're hoping for a response from some other family member.

In any case, I've seen the original baptism record (Humbleton PE68/5/1) with my own eyes, and it is definitely "Thomas Ford, illegitimate Son of Ann Acey, Fitline, Spinster" (Fitline is an early spelling of Fitling).  Not Thomas Fred, nor Thomas Ford Ford, nor various other things I've seen in family trees.  And the man who married Mary Brown  on 04 Dec 1851 was "Thomas Ford Acey, full age, Bachelor, Farm Servant, Halsham, illegitimate", not Thomas Ford Ford - we have the GRO marriage cert.

I think people have made too much of the "Ford" - as I noted in an earlier post, there is also a John Ford Acey (b. 18 Jun 1785, Preston), whose name descends from his mother Ann Forde (m. Henry Acey, 24 Jul 1780, Garton).  Thomas's name may well reflect that family link, though we still don't know what the connection is.

However, that still leaves us with Thomas's missing father, and the mention of James Marchbanks and HOUSOM.  Thanks for the links showing where the records are kept; however, it may be a while before we are in a position to try & get to Yorkshire.  And we've discovered that a lot of the Treasure House microfilms are missing or knackered, and apparently there will be no replacements.

Hence my hope that someone might have access to the Holme registers.

[bendywendy]

It does give "food for thought" for all these names he has been given.

Fingers crossed for some info from the other family member.

As for Housom, well I live near the area of Holme upon Spalding Moor and my paternal line has many links there back to mid 1800's and its abbreviation has always been HOSM and pronounced 'OSM, never have I seen it spelt Housom on documents or pronounced like it, so my feeling is it is for another place.

In all my research for HOSM I have not come across the names Acey or Marchbank/s. 

Have you searched for a Bastardy Order for Thomas   Maybe the family believed James Marchbanks was the father and that is why his name was attached, but never ascertained by a Bastardy Order.

As for the microfilms, you can go to a LDS Church and order the reels that you require to look at, yes this costs, and they are transcribed (Errors abound) but then it could be cheaper than travelling to Yorkshire and it would indicate if Acey/Marchbank were in HOSM.

Here are the Batch Numbers for HOSM:

Holme Upon Spalding Moor
C012082     1813-1849     E012081      
C012083     1715-1812     M012081     1558-1651     
P012081     1558-1651     M012082     1813-1837     
P015661     1744-1840     M012083     1715-1812     
   (Holme Hall Roman Catholic)         
M015661     1764-1780
                   1743-1754     

For other areas:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm

Good luck
bendywendy

[rbarkman]

Thanks for that; we were told by the Treasure House staff that 'HOUSOM' was Holm, but I guess they were misinformed.  Damn, that really confuses things - now we have to figure out what 'HOUSOM' really is.  This just confirms my deep distrust of the IGI.  They don't even get Sarah's name right - we haven't seen her in any official records as 'Sarah Jane' (her daughter is Sarah Jane).  Here's her death record in Utah, full name "Sarah Walker":

http://images.archives.utah.gov/data/81448/2259929/2259929_0000613.jpg

We did check the bastardy records - no hits, I'm afraid.

Back to square one... 

[bendywendy]

You have to remember that these LDS films are what someone in USA transcribed, not with full knowledge of local places and how they were spelt.

The word HOUSOM could mean HOSM, but equally it mean another place, like Halsam for Halsham -  Without seeing the actual register we won't know how it is written.

So if the transcriber has had to guess at what the word actually means, then that is it, a guess if the handwriting is difficult to dicipher.


1841 Cen @ Halsham, Yorkshire HO107/1222/17
Francis Acy  60 Ag Lab
Margaret  "  55
Thomas  "    10
On this same census there is a Francis Acy 13 MS (Male Servant) living in with others

1851 Cen @  Halsham, Yorkshire HO107/2364
Thomas Acy  25 Unm  Farm Servant  Born Fitling
There is a correction from someone that states his name is Acey upon Marriage and further Census's and that his age is actualy 20.

Fitling didn't have its own church, came under Humbleton and Elstronwick

Groom:   Francis Acey
Bride:   Margaret Marshal
Marriage:   06 Jul 1803   place:   Halsham,York,England
Index No:   M10718-2
System:   England-ODM
source film number:   919455

 Francis ACY & Margaret baptised children at Halsham - Mary 1804, Ann 1806, Elizabeth 1810, James 1816, Elen 1818, Margaret 1820, William Marshall 1822, Francis 1824, Francis 1827 & Milcha 1825
NOTE NO THOMAS BAPTISED TO THEM....so that Thomas 10 yr on census could be their grandson..... I think this is the family you are looking for..... I searched for Yorkshire 1803-1841 and Halsham is the only place that comes up.

There is another entry for:
Catherine Acey 1835 Easington nr Patrington to Francis Acey & Ann 
....Ann Wilson married Francis Acey 1830 @ Easington nr Patrington
.......Baptism for a  Francis Acy son of Joseph Acy 1804 Easington nr Patrington

Groom:   Joseph Acy
Bride:   Alice Marshal
Marriage:   06 Jul 1803  Place:   Halsham,York,England
Index No:   M10718-2
System:   England-ODM
Film No:   919455

SO did two Acy/Acey brothers marry two Marshal sisters 

Joseph Acy & Alice had children baptised @ Easington nr Patrington Francis 1804, James 1806, Joseph 1808, Ann 1810, Milcah 1817, Mary 1818, Ellen 1821 & Elizabeth 1822

Several children from these two families had same names    Could this be how Sarah Jane confused all the names for her father's baptism's

Not found baptisms for Francis & Joseph Acy/Acey as yet.

Halsham Parish is situated between Withernsea and Burstwick, East Yorkshire on what is now B1362.

bendywendy

[bendywendy]

Regarding Henry Acey to Ann Ford/e 1780 @ Garton with Grimston, this couple then went on to have children baptised at Preston by Hedon (Preston Parish Registers nr Hull, E. Yorks) Pally 1781, Nancy 1783, John Ford 1785, Mary 1790, Betty 1792.

I think the records on familysearch.org (new one) are details taken from the Bishops Transcripts as the years match those on this record page
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/CBW/ERY/Preston.html

Baptisms 1559-1981 - so maybe it is not the actual register that has been transcribed onto LDS film but  the BT which could be why there are gaps between some children where that Francis Acey c 1780 could be listed or a little later if his age was rounded up to 60 on the 1841 cen. Don't forget about Joseph too on 1841 cen I have a feeling these are brothers/twins or at least cousins, why else would they name the children the same
 If these two are the sons of Henry Acey & Ann Ford, then bingo - the Ford connection   

According to the info on this page these records are held at Treasure House, Beverley.

If you were to contact the Treasure House and ask nicely, someone may check this register for you and the registers for Halsham too. Explain you live away from the area, have already been to the Treasure Ho and are hoping they can help you.

bendywendy

[rbarkman]

Problem is, we don't know what register (if any) the HOUSOM information came from.  Stuff in the IGI could have come from anywhere.

I've been through the entire Halsham register from 1742, and didn't see anything relevant at the time of Thomas's birth - mind you, we didn't know the name James Marchbanks at that time.  The interesting thing is: the IGI record that mentions HOUSOM and James has the date 6 Mar 1831 - Thomas was baptised 8 Mar, which suggests the HOUSOM record relates to his birth, not his baptism.  If it was the same date, I could have put the whole thing down to a foul-up.

Yes, we've seen a Thomas of the right age with Francis and Margaret in 1841; some people have assumed they were his parents, without noticing the age difference.  It could be the right Thomas, and they might be his grandparents - he could be the son of their daughter Ann (1806).  Or they might be his great aunt & uncle, as he could be the son of Ann (1810), daughter of Francis's brother Joseph (the Acey boys appear to have married the Marshal sisters, same day & church).

We didn't find Joseph or Francis's baptisms, in Preston, Halsham or any of the other Holderness registers we went through at the Treasure House (originals, not BTs), and there's nowt on FamilySearch.  They could be sons of Henry Acey & Ann Forde, but we have not found any evidence for that, as yet.

One other problem is: both Anns just vanish.  We can't find marriages or deaths for either of them.  So trying to find any later connection between Thomas and one of the Anns is tricky.  If his mother had died, it would at least explain why he's living with relatives in 1841, though it wouldn't help in locating his dad.  However, it's the Acey line we're interested in, so connecting him back to any Acey beyond Ann is the goal.

As an aside, notice who's on the same farm in 1851? - Mary Brown.  Assuming it's the same Mary, and the age & birthplace details do match, we guess that's where he met his wife.  I suspect the correction you saw is mine (rossandmads).

[bendywendy]

If I go to the Borthwick at some point, although nothing planned at present as I don't drive, I will look up the HOSM registers as I would like to look at them for my lineage too.

I will put this in my notebook, but could be some time before I get there.

b.

[rbarkman]

Thanks a lot - it would be appreciated.