lHorse & Groom pub Blackfriars

[denisofessex]

Would like to know what happened to this pub where I lived as a child approx 1932, I remember a school just opposite and the supplies to the pub brought on a cart pulled by shire horses. I seemed to remember the brewer to be Taylor Walkers whose phone number was HOP 2247.

[CarolA3]

Would this have been in the Southwark area?

Carol

[denisofessex]

 Good afternoon Carol, re your query, not sure, afraid I dont know my Sth London too well.
I seem to remember Blackfriars Bridge being nearby.
I also remember the name of Sumner Street being mentioned and before we took up residence in the pub (I believe my father was manager) we lived in Mallais Street. All very sketchy, I'm talking about over 80 years ago.
Thankyou

[Gaie]

Hi

Yes, if it was south of Blackfriars Bridge then this would be Southwark.

This website has a "Horse & Groom" at 240 Blackfriars Road in the 1841 Census:

http://deadpubs.co.uk/LondonPubs1841/London1841-H3.shtml

If you look on Google Maps ( http://maps.google.co.uk/ ) and enter "240 Blackfriars Road" you can walk up and down the road and see if you can recognise any of the buildings that are left; unfortunately 240 doesn't appear to stand any more.  There is a white building opposite with the word paper in the windows - does that look familiar?

Sumner Street is a turning off Southwark Street which meets Blackfriars Road just before the bridge.  There was also a Horse & Groom in Sumner Street:

http://deadpubs.co.uk/LondonPubs/SouthwarkStSaviour/HorseGroom.shtml

The area has changed a lot since the war; in 1942 a bomb fell further down towards The Cut and demolished The Ring ( http://www.southbanklondon.com/walkthisway/BuildingDetails.php?building=16 )

KR
Gaie

[Gaie]

in 1944, Fredk Hy Collins was the landlord of the Horse & Groom in Sumner Street, if that's any help:

http://deadpubs.co.uk/LondonPubs1944/London1944H.shtml

KR
Gaie

[CarolA3]

Gaie, looks like you've cracked it

I got Southwark from the phone number, but couldn't think of the name 'deadpubs' .  Let's see what the OP thinks about your discovery!

Regards,
Carol

[denisofessex]

Thank you Carol and Gaie, Seems Horse & Groom 24 Sumner Street was where I lived for a while, sorry that the site has been built over. I shall have to find if there was a school just across the road, if there was, that would confirm the location 100%. I dont expect there will be many pupils of 1932 around anymore. lol
Thanks again for your help.
Denis

[Gaie]

Hi Denis

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=65328

This page makes reference to a school in Sumner Street, originally St Saviour's grammar school, but later on a church day school for St Peter's parish.  It was badly damaged during the war.

Here's a photo of Sumner Street, 1895 - scroll down the page:

http://thehenryline.freeservers.com/custom.html

A bit bigger:

http://thehenryline.freeservers.com/images/sumnerstreet1895..jpg

KR
Gaie

[ReadyDale]

A map showing Sumner Street with a pub on the south side, with a school opposite.
This is from a couple of years earlier than you quote, but may be of use.