Nathan WALLWORK b 1804 Clifton - COMPLETED - thanks

[Old Moon]

I was given the name Betty RIDER m 2nd Sep 1827 Cathedral Manchester.  But I have not been able to prove that.

They had a son, of which I am quite confident, Thomas, bap St Saviour Ringley, 14 Sep 1828.

Then Betty died, it appears, and Nathan married Margaret ECKERSLEY in 1833.

[Old Moon]

....but on Thomas baptism in 1828 his parents are Nathan WALLWORK and 'Elizabeth'. 

[Radcliff]

As far as I am aware your Nathan is an engineer


St Savior Ringley
15th of September 1839
Betty child of Nathan and Betty
father an engineer
abode Clifton


St Savior Ringley
14th of September 1828
Thomas child of Nathan and Elizabeth
abode Clifton
father a collier

St Savior Ringley
4th of May 1834
John Wallwork son of Nathan and Margaret
abode Clifton
father an engineer
Ellen ,30th of July 1835,Nathan and Margaret,father an engineer
James,6th of May 1838,Nathan and Margaret an engineer
Betty,15th of September 1839,Nathan and Betty,engineer
Nathan ,7th of Feb 1842,Nathan and Margaret ,father an engineer
Mary Ann,12th of Jan 1845,Nathan and Margaret,father an engineer
All live Clifton

[Old Moon]

Yes that is correct but I do not think he was an 'engineer' in the sense we know it today.  I think that meant he drove some sort of engine in the mine, perhaps for the pumps or winding.

In 1841 census he is a 'winder'.   1851 he is a 'colliery engineer' and by 1861 he had had enough and was a 'grocer'.  And incidentally by 1867 he died and left 200 pound.     So that was nice.  He wasn't destitute.

So he was obviously in the mines.  I don't think it a problem that he describes himself as a 'collier' in 1828.

On Thomas' marriage in 1855, Nathan the father (the one who at the birth was a collier) is now described as an 'engine driver'.

[heatherjulie]

Hi
Do you have a copy of Thomas's baptism record?
If not, it is image 54 Baptisms 1825-1834 on Familysearch images.

There is also this marriage on LancsOLPC
27 March 1821 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles
Nathan Wallwork of this parish
Mary Potter of this parish
Witness Thomas Turner and James Grimshaw

Heather

[Old Moon]

I have Thomas baptism from the OPC.  Father Nathan, mother Elizabeth.  bap 14 Dec 1828.  Father a collier.

I really do believe that his mother, Nathan's 1st wife, was Elizabeth (or Betty).  So that marriage cannot be him.  1821 is presumably too early anyway.  There are quite a few Nathan's around.

I think she was Elizabeth (Betty) RYDER and the marriage was at Cathedral Manchester 2nd Sep 1827.  But this also I cannot get access to.

My original request was:

Does anyone have access to the Eccles St Mary records for 1804?  Nathan WALLWORK bap 16th Dec 1804 Eccles St Mary.   If anyone can help with this it would be appreciated.

Thanks.

[heatherjulie]

I just thought that you might like a copy of the original baptism record for your tree.
Heather

[Old Moon]

Yes that would be very nice thanks.

[Old Moon]

Thanks for the link Heather.