Alice jane Bates (nee Harris)

[delp60]

Hi,
     Looking for anyone else perhaps researching Alice Jane Bates (nee Harris) Born circa 1872. I have everything up to around 1900. She was the daughter of Henry Harris Born 1832 & Alice Jane Graham.
She married Benjamin Thomas Bates at Mount Pleasant in 1893. Sometime after 1908 she separated from Benjamin & eventually went to Canada we believe with a Canadian serviceman. Although she wrote a few times to her young daughters promising to return for them she never did & we know nothing more of her.
Benjamin divorced her in 1917 and her co-respondent was a Thomas Duckworth. Family seem to recall she went to Saskatchewan.

[garstonite]

Hiya Delp60
I have had a good scout around and can`t find Alice Jane in Liverpool on the 1881 census with her mum and dad...do you know where she was born ?
Just a little correction for you...if you go to www.lancashirebmd.org.uk and put in year 1893 you then put in
Bates
Harris .....and click search
you will find that Benjamin and Alice married in St Lukes church , which is on the corner of Berry Street and Leece street...although quite close - Mount Pleasant is about 300/400 yards away..if you google
St Lukes Liverpool you will see it was bombed in WW2 ...the roof and windows were blown away but the church still stands today and is a magnificent building...
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp does not show their marriage , but yoou may find baptisms of Benjamin /Annies children....I will have a look later -
do you have Alice in 1901 census ?...she would have been married 8 years and may have children with her
allan

[Radcliff]

Canadian expeditionary over seas force ,

Thomas Duckworth
born Ashton Under Lyne 1882
a brush maker
next of kin Mrs Johnson,
105 Rear Wellington Street
Hamilton Canada
attestation November 27th 1914
Toronto
Regimental number 109317
Church of England
fair complexion,
hazel eyes
dark brown hair,
unmarried
a possible for the Canadian serviceman

[AMBLY]

Hi

I can't find Alice Jane  in 1901 either  

She was born 8 Aug  then  baptised 31 Aug, 1873.

In 1891 she is with her parents & siblings, in Mt Pleasant area.
RG12 / Piece: 2914 / Folio: 38 / Page: 9

It would help to know where she was in 1901 and or 1911 (if you have it), to narrow down a time frame that she may have left for Canada.

Cheers
AMBLY

[garstonite]

OK Alice presumably born in Liverpool because here is her mum and dads marriage
15th April 1855 ,St Nicholas,Liverpool....so I would imagine if Annie was born 1873 she would have a few siblings ?
Ambly - how old is her oldest sibling in 1891 ?...surely by 1891 if she was 18 ,its possible she left hubby and went to live with a sibling by 1901 , maybe hubby was a violent man ?
allan
ADDED...lol...don`t know why I put Annie instead of Alice in my first post...apologies...I have now corrected my mistake 

[delp60]

Hi,
    Rootschat is awesome. Thanks all. Alice was married to Benjamin Thomas Bates a piano tuner. My grandmother Mary Maude I believe was born around Liverpool and then his company transferred him to Dublin I think, where their two other daughters , Aileen & Brenda were born. When they came back they were in Sheffield. Alice Jane had 4 other siblings, Clara Conde (nee Harris), John an architecture student, Leslie a music teacher & Maude who still lived with her father Henry Harris as late as the 1901 Census in West Derby. All are listed in order of birth.
Yes they were married at St Lukes. On the marriage certificate Alice's address is listed as 81 Mount Pleasant? I can't find 81 Mt Pleasant. Her husband's address was listed at Liscard.

Thanks all!

[z]

Hi all

Apologies if you have this already but thought that I would mention that you will find Benjamin T and Alice Jane Bates in the 1901 Irish Census living at 38 Antrim Road Duncairn Ward Antrim with their daughters Aileen Patricia 3 born Co Antrim and Mary Maude 6 born England.

Regards

Z

[geniecolgan]

A bit more from Irish census 1911:-
Benjamin Bates, boarder, 43, Manager Music Warehouse, in Shankhill, Antrim.

Also;
living with, George B. Hewitson 48, head, Piano Forte Maker and his wife Lizzie, 43, both b. England.
May Bates, 16, Neice, b. England.
Aileen Bates, 13, Neice, b. Belfast
Brenda Bates, 3, Neice, b. Belfast.

[delp60]

A huge thanks people! Sorry got the Dublin bit in rather than Belfast. Some info is a bit sketchy as my grandmother Mary Maude passed away in 70s & most of my mother's siblings have also now gone.
Alice Jane's eldest sibling was Clara (Conde) Born 1859. Her daughter Alice Jane Conde was listed as living with Henry Harris & Alice's sister Maude at Bamber Street West Derby 1901.
 
Can I assume correctly that in the 1911 Census, Alice Jane isn't listed at the same address?