Davies of llywell

[garfydd]

garethwj
M.I.=Memorial Inscriptions. I surveyed approx. 50 graveyards(S.W.Brecs.&N.E. Cmn)  means there is a graveyard stone for yours&mine.
Rees Price Shoot, aged 29=Hannah Price, aged 35(gives father as a Daniel Price=suspect) at Soar Chapel, Trecastle 10 S.,1868.
Do I have this right= issue of Lewis Price Shute
1. Mary Ellen bo 1897=1.Thomas Morgan
                                     2. David Pearce
2. David Rees bo 1898=Olwen Williams,
3. Hannah Blodwen=???
lived at Treboeth, Swansea, a Jehovah's Witness?
4. Lewis=Mary Ellen Price at Callwen Church 1920,
Can you recall any of this family(young woman aged about 30 & daughter aged about 10) lived ca. 1945-1947 Cardonnel Road, Skewen in part of the house.  One of ours re. my late mother.  Only saw them once and they knew me.
Garfydd
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[Garethwj]

Garfydd

Issue of Lewis Price Shute are correct.  Mary Ellen and David Rees were christened (loose term) Shute as shown in 1901 census, but 1911 census shows them as Price.  Hannah Blodwen Price was my maternal grandmother (died 1979).  She married Ernest Hill (my Mum's father) in 1925.  He died aged 49.  She then married William Williams in 1955 and they lived until their deaths in Skewen.  Lewis Thomas Price (b 1907) was decapitated in a railway accident in 1915.  They were living with their mother, Mary Price (Shute) at Railway Terrace, Ystradgynlais at the time, hence Lewis Thomas had wandered onto the railway line at such a tender age.  A tragic family indeed.  When his father, Lewis Price (Shute) hung himself in October 1909, his wife Mary had not long given birth to the fifth and youngest member of the family, Maggie Ann Price (b 1909).  My mother is still alive, aged 83 (Audrey nee Hill Jenkinson) and lives in Pyle, Mid-Glam.  She is finding all this fascinating. At the age of 11, she was sent by Hannah Blodwen to work for her grandmother (Mary) at the pub for 6 months. To this day, she describes it as slavery!

[garfydd]

garethwj
A quickie. Very interesting email. I lived at 1 Brynsyfi Terrace, 62 Burrows Road, Skewen and had only just left Neath Grammar School in 1955. My father must have known your kin. Did he live close to Coedffranc School, died of a "facial" cancer & worked on the railway? Does Cardonnel Rd. ring a bell? I am going to look and an old address book.
We had a cousin "Gloria" living in Ystradgynlais-rings any more bells.
Garfydd

[Garethwj]

Hi Garfydd

Wrong person I think.  My maternal grandfather, Ernest Hill (husband of Hannah Blodwen), died of heart compications in 1950.  The 1911 census shows him as a 10 year old, living with his brother, James (Jimmy), who was 20 and a postman, and his sister, Mary Elizabeth Hill, 22.  They were living at 4 Evans Court, Water Street, Neath.

[Carandalex]

I have a similar problem with so many Davies.  Not helped as it is pre registration dates.  My g g grandmother was Margaret Davies born circa 1794/96 in Llywell.  Censuses give the date as 1794 in Defynnog, but the Llywell Parish Register in 1821 has her age 25 years at the time of her marriage to Robert Candrick/Kendrick. Of course, in those days there was no mention of parents.  Robert was a shepherd and they seemed to have lived in Losged, Abercamlais, Cwmdu before moving to Tredegar between 1851 and 1861.  I have found 2 entries for Llywell but there are also some Defynnog too.  I would like to trace her parents so am wondering if anyone looking at Davies  has any connection or information.   

Best Wishes
Carol

[Greensleeves]

Hello Carol - I have done quite a bit of research on the Candrick/Kendrick family for a friend of mine who is descended from Margaret Davies and Robert Candrick.  I will have to look out the Tree and see if I can find anything  which might help you but I think - if I am right - that I was stumped by the number of the Davies family in the Llywel/Trecastle area.  I did manage to trace Robert's origins to Berwick-upon-Tweed though; my friend's family had always said they had Scottish ancestry through that line but had never previously had any evidence to prove it.

Regards
GS

[Carandalex]

Hello Greensleeves (?),

Thanks for responding.  I am the g.g.grandaughter of Robert Candrick, g. grandaughter of Rhys and grandaughter of Hannah.  Hannah died when my mother was young, my grandfather remarried, there doesn't seem to have been much contact with the Kendrick family.  I grew up in Wales not knowing that I had all these cousins in the nearby villages, until I started tracing the family. I have now met a few from Fochriw and Brithdir.  I, and my cousin in Tasmania, have traced most of the Candrick/Kendrick side but we have become stuck with Robert.  If you have found anything that links him to Etal/Ford/Berwick on Tweed then I would be very interested to see that information.  We have been unsuccessful at finding him in any parish records.  My branch of the family also believed that the family originated from Scotland.  Apparently, one descendant believed it was Wick, and it wold have been about the time of the highland clearances.  Equally, they could have confused Berwick and Wick, and Berwick on Tweed was, at one time, in Scotland.  If so, they could have been Roman Catholic or even Presbyterian, in which case I don't think they baptized until the children were older.  I have visited both Etal, a tiny but beautiful village, and Ford.  In fact, I have photos on my private tree on Ancestry.  There was once a Presbyterian church in Etal but the Anglican church is a much later addition.  I did try to grave hunt in the parish church in Ford, but it was wet, the grass too long and me not dressed for the occasion!

There is some disagreement within the various branches of whether it was Candrick or Kendrick.  Our branch always believed it was Kendrick.  I have been unable to find the name Candrick in any Scottish clan or names.  I believe they were either Kendrick or MacKendrick, the Mac being dropped when they came to Wales.  At the time they came to Brecknockshire and Tredegar the area was predominantly Wesh speaking, as were the family, according to the census.  There is also no letter K in the Welsh alphabet, so K would have become the phonetic C.  They were also illiterate, siging things by mark, so probably would not have recognised the change.

I would like to know who your friend is, if he/she agrees.  I'm not sure if there is a way that I could message you with my email address.  It could be I already know them!  They may be interested to know that I have recently found the burial place of Robert's son, Robert 1825 -1868. My son lives, just a few miles away, so I hope to visit in the summer.

Back to the Davies of Llywell, I've only just started revisiting this side.  I suppose my best bet is to look at the Davies in Llywell in the 1841 census.  Unfortunately I don't see a Davies as a witness to their marriage and, at that time, father's names weren't recorded on the record.

Hoping to hear if you have a connection to Berwick on Tweed and more family for me to know.

Best wishes

Carol

[Greensleeves]

Hello Carol

Once you have made more than three posts you can send Personal Messages so if you would like to share email addresses, please feel free to PM me.  I could also then tell you the name of my friend;  I will also need to find the notes of my research so I can tell you precisely how she is related but I do know that she still has family living in Tredegar.

I do know that I got the 'Etal' connection from the census returns, as you have too, no doubt.  I also remember that I did extensive checks online on records available in that area, but I don't think I actually managed to pin the birth or baptism down.  However, Berwick-on-Tweed was on the drovers' route and of course it is possible that Robert was born whilst his family were en-route for pastures new and thus were not actually permanently resident in Etal.

Throughout the tree I remember that the name changed between Candrick and Kendrick, and my friend was always of the belief that it was originally MacKendrick or some similar name.

Going on to the Davies family, the problem with the Llywel and Trecastle area is that nearly every family is either Davies or related to the Davies clan, so any research in that area is a bit of a nightmare!

Regards
GS

[Carandalex]

Hi,

 So this is post 3!  Not sure of how to PM you but I gues all will be revealed!

Best wishes

Carol