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Re: Clifford family
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 04 April 12 10:01 BST (UK) »
I thought that, George - they married 1858 and Ann Jane showing as b. Ireland on the 1861.


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Re: Clifford family
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 04 April 12 10:08 BST (UK) »
Wonder if there is some confusion somewhere,could that John,boarder on the 1901 be anything to do with it.
SCOTLAND: Wardlaw Steen/Stein Tweedie McBride McEwan Pate/Peat Brown Somerville Bishop Farier/Ferrier Wood  Torrance Gibb Ross Dunlop Downs Richardson Ramsey Story Snaddon/Sneddon Auld Allan McLean McInnes Mason Law Lawson Kerr Cockburn Christie Ballingall Wardrope Weir Wallace Scott.
IRELAND: Welsh Clifford Lee Allingham Keane Dale Robinson Greer McVey Bingham Skelton Carson Broomfield Clark McEwan/McKeown McCreary McLaughlan.
YORKSHIRE: Cudworth Smith Cope Coulton Hainsworth

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Re: Clifford family
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 04 April 12 10:21 BST (UK) »
Just checked  Hugh Clifford b. Lanarkshire 1855 - 2009 and nothing in Barony.

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Re: Clifford family
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 04 April 12 10:31 BST (UK) »
Can't find anything for Barony either gnu,only thing I would bet on at this moment is the trail will eventually lead to Ireland.
SCOTLAND: Wardlaw Steen/Stein Tweedie McBride McEwan Pate/Peat Brown Somerville Bishop Farier/Ferrier Wood  Torrance Gibb Ross Dunlop Downs Richardson Ramsey Story Snaddon/Sneddon Auld Allan McLean McInnes Mason Law Lawson Kerr Cockburn Christie Ballingall Wardrope Weir Wallace Scott.
IRELAND: Welsh Clifford Lee Allingham Keane Dale Robinson Greer McVey Bingham Skelton Carson Broomfield Clark McEwan/McKeown McCreary McLaughlan.
YORKSHIRE: Cudworth Smith Cope Coulton Hainsworth


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Re: Clifford family
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 04 April 12 10:32 BST (UK) »
Just looked at the 1911 family that Anne mentions and they are definitely the same family as the one that we've found. I'm not sure where Barbara  comes from  :-\

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Re: Clifford family
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 04 April 12 10:41 BST (UK) »
Thought it might gnu,my Clifford line were Irish Roman Catholics,no relation to Anne's that I can see though.Do you think the Barbara that is on the passenger lists from New York to Glasgow in 1909 and 1913 could be something to do with it.


Things can get mixed up.I remember as a child at a new school in England telling everyone during a geography lesson that I had an aunt in California,thinking it was the sunny American one,it was actually the small mining village in Scotland ;D
SCOTLAND: Wardlaw Steen/Stein Tweedie McBride McEwan Pate/Peat Brown Somerville Bishop Farier/Ferrier Wood  Torrance Gibb Ross Dunlop Downs Richardson Ramsey Story Snaddon/Sneddon Auld Allan McLean McInnes Mason Law Lawson Kerr Cockburn Christie Ballingall Wardrope Weir Wallace Scott.
IRELAND: Welsh Clifford Lee Allingham Keane Dale Robinson Greer McVey Bingham Skelton Carson Broomfield Clark McEwan/McKeown McCreary McLaughlan.
YORKSHIRE: Cudworth Smith Cope Coulton Hainsworth

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Re: Clifford family
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 04 April 12 10:42 BST (UK) »
The only John and Barbara Clifford (as a married couple) that I can find (used Family search) are on the 1900 US Census in Shamokin, Pennsylvania.

John was b. 1843 Poland/Aust and Barbara was b. 1848 in Pennsylvania.

I don't think that they are anything to do with Hugh   ;D ;D ;D


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Re: Clifford family
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 04 April 12 10:47 BST (UK) »
Found what might be the answer on at least two Ancestry trees (unsourced):

Hugh Clifford b. Lanarkshire  d. Heidelberg, Victoria 1956
Parents - John Clifford and Barbara English
Spouse - Annie May Turner

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Added - The Hugh Clifford who died in Victoria in 1956 was born circa 1898. parents are given as ??

The only Hugh Clifford b.c. this time in Scotland was the son of Hugh and Isabella!
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Re: Clifford family
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 04 April 12 11:37 BST (UK) »
Think we have the correct family and that Barbara might have been a red herring  :-\

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,579458.msg4413262.html#msg4413262

son of william and anne jane Clifford nee masser or mason hugh married isabella Blair and one of their children hugh i believe is my grandfather

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