Clifford family

[MonicaL]

The H Clifford arriving in the UK shows as English and a Textile Director so don't think it is him unfortunately 

[Cheryl.]

The H Clifford arriving in the UK shows as English and a Textile Director so don't think it is him unfortunately 

Have just taken a look at the original paper - you are right! Thought I was onto something there!

[MonicaL]

A closer one might be another H Clifford, a labourer, arriving in London from Australia on the 'Osterley' in Feb 1929. He shows as resident in Australia and gives a Scottish address for the UK, 7 Kildale Street, Rutherglen.

He shows as aged 28, but as you know, ages were seldom precise on records in those days.

[Cheryl.]

A closer one might be another H Clifford, a labourer, arriving in London from Australia on the 'Osterley' in Feb 1929. He shows as resident in Australia and gives a Scottish address for the UK, 7 Kildale Street, Rutherglen.

He shows as aged 28, but as you know, ages were seldom precise on records in those days.

Seems more likely. If Anne gives the details from the death and marriage certs. it may clear some things up.

[rosball]

This death notice for the 1956 Heidelberg death 
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article72534277
matches with the man who has a digitised war record for world war 2 on naa.gov.au.
CLIFFORD HUGH : Service Number - VX12010 : Date of birth - 12 Nov 1898 : Place of birth - LANARK SCOTTLAND : Place of enlistment - CAULFIELD VIC : Next of Kin - SMITH T

Elsewhere in the service record it gives sister's full name as Tottie Smith and an address in Caulfield (although the death notice says she is a friend).  He has crossed out widowed and married and written single. 

regards,
   Ros

[MonicaL]

Hi Ros

Thanks for all the extra bits of info 

We are having a real problem with that birth date for a Hugh Clifford  There isn't one to be found in the whole of Scotland for that period, except for the son of Hugh and Isabella, as has been discussed throughout the thread. Also, for 1911, there looks to only be one Hugh Clifford in the whole of Scotland in the right age range, again likely to be the son of Hugh and Isabella.

I have mentioned to Anne that checking what Hugh himself stated for his parents' details on that 1928 marriage cert would help hopefully. I tried adding on the names we have so far for possible parents to search fields here https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria - whilst the 1928 marriage shows on the index, adding parents names we have as possibles (Hugh/Isabella and John/Barbara) returned a nil result.

Wonder what Tottie stands for?

Monica

Added: Tottie maybe a pet name for Charlotte? www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=tottie

[Cheryl.]

The photo of Anne's grandfather and my great grandfather are so similar!

Also, with there being no record of John or Barbara I am more inclined to believe that Anne's grandfather may well be the Hugh from my tree.

I was told that he left Carfin not long after he married in 1921, which would make sense. Unfortunatley I can't access my Hugh's wife's death record online as she died in 1984. I will endeavour to speak to some neighbours to see if they can confirm some more things about Hugh.

There is ofcourse, the off chance that if he was moving away to a new country for a new life that he may have altered some of his details - then again, I could be down the wrong route completely!

My own family who I have got in contact with through genealogy do not remember my great grandfather William ever talking about his brother Hugh - they were not aware that he had one called Hugh, though William did sign his death record in Lanarkshire in '56.

Does look to me as though all of these details are just coincidental and they are not the same man, though.

[anne diston]

are you sure william signed his brothers death certificate in 1956 maybe he was signing his fathers death certificate? Hugh jnr was in his 50s when he died in 1956

[Cheryl.]

The death record I have for Hugh b 1897 was signed by William in Lanarkshire in 1956.