Clifford family

[sancti]

Could T. Smith be a nursing sister?

[Cheryl.]

Hi everyone,

I found a death for Hugh Clifford b 1897 from my tree (mother Isabella, and father Hugh) on Scotland's People but it's in Lanarkshire, 1956.

I also found a record for a Hugh Clifford in Heidelberg, Victoria in 1956 - this is the record Anne believes to be her grandfather's.

On the SP record it says "married to Jane Shiels" - which he was as he married her in 1921 in Carfin. However, Anne's grandfather moved to Australia and married again in 1928 - it would appear that this other marriage is not on the Scottish record.

Could these records be for the same people or have Anne and I got some wires crossed somewhere?

[MonicaL]

...I will post a photo which my grandmother kept in a locket when my husband is around as I dont know how to do that anne

Have you both been able to compare photos you each have for your Hughs?

Monica

[Cheryl.]

I found this tree on ancestry.com and all details seem to match up with what Anne has said - (parents' names and death place etc.):

Hugh Clifford, parents John Clifford and Barbara English, married to Annie May Turner.

I cannot get access to this tree as I do not have the correct subscription to access it.

We may have our wires crossed afterall. Monica, I do not have a photo of the Hugh of my tree but Anne's grandfather and my great grandfather do look remarkably alike, which is throwing me!!

[MonicaL]

I have Hughs birth date and place of birth from list of soldiers in 2nd world war.

What exactly does this show Anne?

Also have my grandmothers wedding certificate.

What does this say regarding Hugh, Anne? His parents' names I would imagine would be included on this (?), his age, witnesses etc?

He died in Heidleberg repatriation hospital I think 1956 from emphysema and bronchitis next of kin said a sister t.Smith and that he had never been married or had any children!I have his death certificate I was wondering if he left his first wife or if she died .Annie May did not divorce him and was T Smith really his sister so many mysteries>I will post a photo which my grandmother kept in a locket when my husband is around as I dont know how to do that.

Any details from this section will also help. What did his death cert say relating to him - parents, age etc.

Any luck tracing this potential sister, T Smith (electoral rolls, marriage/death entries etc.)?

Monica

[MonicaL]

Just to discount him and for the record, now that I have found him on the 1901 Irish census, this is the only Hugh Clifford I can see on shipping manifests in later years to Canada/US and back to UK (nothing to Australia/NZ).

From 1901 - www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Kilmore/Curradillar/1358317/

Cannot see any other shipping entries or WW1 military service papers for any relevant Hugh born in Scotland or Ireland c. 1897-9 which is a pity 

[Cheryl.]

Just to discount him and for the record, now that I have found him on the 1901 Irish census, this is the only Hugh Clifford I can see on shipping manifests in later years to Canada/US and back to UK (nothing to Australia/NZ).

From 1901 - www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Kilmore/Curradillar/1358317/

Cannot see any other shipping entries or WW1 military service papers for any relevant Hugh born in Scotland or Ireland c. 1897-9 which is a pity 

This looked promising to me:
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?ti=0&indiv=try&db=bt26&h=1019286&ppvhash=a3bb2f0fd773cad74717da51f2f8c143000039b9e6389fdc

H Clifford, 57 (b. 10 Nov 1897) left Sydney Australia on the 'Oronsay' arriving in London on 9 May 1955

This medal card has no details on birth or location etc:

http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1262&iid=30850_A000337-01887&fn=Hugh&ln=Clifford&st=r&ssrc=&ppvhash=f134a57af13910088eb211153cd7f182000039b9e63b1cb5&pid=1720606

[MonicaL]

Clever you Cheryl, missed searching for an H Clifford  Certainly a possibility. How does this birth date compare I wonder with the Australian and the Lanarkshire Hugh?

The medal card, given the regiment, I thought might belong to the Hugh from the 1901 Irish census perhaps?

Monica

[Cheryl.]

Clever you Cheryl, missed searching for an H Clifford  Certainly a possibility. How does this birth date compare I wonder with the Australian and the Lanarkshire Hugh?

The medal card, given the regiment, I thought might belong to the Hugh from the 1901 Irish census perhaps?

Monica

You could be right Monica. However, my great grandfather enlisted with an Irish regiment even though he lived in Lanarkshire.


My Hugh was born 1897, not sure of the exact date - Anne has the birth as 1898.

If that is him returning on the record I posted then him dying in 1956 in Lanarkshire and not Australia would make sense - though the Australian death record throws it out a bit.