John and Jean Barr Auckland 1842.

[Croquetplayer]

Thanks Janette,

I will certainly contact them.

In the mean time I have just located a pedigree resource file for this whole big family on Family search, by a woman named (*) in America.

There is a lot of info to sort through as she names parents and spouse family names.

I would never accept it with out checking it against something proven, but it gives a lot of places to start looking.
BTW it gives Renfrew as home place so its probably all Paisley, as you said.
It even gives my gggreat grandparents in South Australia.

You folks have really helped me today.

Thank you very much.


Julie   


(*) Edit by Moderator: Details of living person removed.

[trish1120]

John BARR Married Jean CALDER, 03 July 1825, Abbey, (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland
(Source IGI Extracted)

Trish

[Croquetplayer]

Thanks Trish,

It has been a happy day for me.  The person who has provided the pedigree file to FamilySearch was found posting on Rootsweb in 2008, with a contact email address
I emailed and within the hour had a response from this lady.

Her gggrandpa was the brother of Jean Calder and she has a lot of information including a letter written between the two siblings in 1847.

I found the pedigree file by putting in the name of Elizabeth Lindsay Barr born 1829 in FamilySearch, then opening up the pedigree file  that appeared.
I am adding these details here so that anyone searching in the future can follow my trail and end up finding the same person.

Even the marriage name is wrong as she is called Jane Barr when marrying James Armstrong Dodgson in 1851, when her actual name was Jean Barr.

If you ever wind up here searching for this family PM me for details.

I wouldn't have found this family with out your help Rootschatters so a big

                                      THANK YOU 
                                     
                                 to all who participated.

                                   Cheers

                                      Julie

[trish1120]

A great outcome. All the best Julie

[Fresh Fields]

Hi Julie,

They may have come from Paisley

Two groups of Scots came to Auckland in the early 1840s. In 1841 the Scottish Colonisation Company despatched three vessels from the River Clyde, bearing migrants who settled first at Cornwallis Point. A year later the Colonial Land and Emigration Commissioners sent out a party of more than 500 from Paisley (where the textile industry was in recession) on the Duchess of Argyll and the Jane Gifford.

Cheers Janette

Well done RC's you have done what I would have done, by going back to the Paisley Emigration and Renfrew. Just two points Janette. You only named the two vessels that left the Clyde three weeks apart and arrived at the Auckland pilotage on the same tide. Re settlement at Cornwallis, not all who sailed on the Jane Gifford and the Duchess of Argyll settled there. I have no record of either Wm SHARP [DofA] nor Archibald SHARP [JG] having spent any time at Cornwallis, though because of their kinship, through the following generations, there were links developed with the families who settled there.

- Alan.

[Janette]

Sorry Alan

That was a quote from this website

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/scots/2



Cheers Janette

[Fresh Fields]

Hello again. No apology called for. Just sharing, and clarifying, from what research I've done into some of the early Auckland pioneering families. It's so easy to make assumptions, so I appreciate it when others review my comments.

- Alan.

Edit: OOP's and again as per my following post titled PAISLEY EMIGRATION SCOIETY ---------
A point of interest for me, has always been that the Jane Gifford [558 tonnes], the smaller sailing ship of the two, left port after the Duchess of Argyle [667 tonnes] but arrived on the same tide at Auckland. While both were piloted up the harbour on the evening tide, the Duchess did not remain clear of a sand bar, so the Jane Gifford was able to sail by, and drop anchor first. But just now going to my reference books I see that she left on June 18 only 9 days later [June 9th] NOT the three weeks I have in my mind.

[Croquetplayer]

John BARR Married Jean CALDER, 03 July 1825, Abbey, (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland
(Source IGI Extracted)

Trish

  Hi All,

    Just popping back with an update for this finding by Trish.

 The Duchess of Argyle passenger manifest indicates that John Barr and Jean Calder must have been married earlier, as a son was born in 1823.

Further information has brought to light, that the boy John had a different mother but same father as the other children.

Jean Calder was John Barr's second wife.

As yet I have not located John Barr's first marriage. Or his parents.

The Calder family were  involved as managers of textile factories with the father of Jean Calder being Humphrey Calder. All were from Renfrewshire.

Humphrey Calder married Isobel Kerr 30 Nov 1781 Abbey, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland.
Children were,
John Calder 1785,
Elizabeth Calder 1787
William Calder 1792 spent some time in Huddersfield England. Managing a textile factory.
Robert Calder 1795
James Calder 1798  marr. Isobel Arthur 1820 Abbey Paisley and Mary Clarke, Campsie,Stirling,1831.                 
                                               Emigrated to Richmond Virginia America.

Jean Calder 1805 marr John Barr. emig. to Auckland New Zealand 1842 , widowed 1846 and moved to South Autralia 1849.



The children of Humphrey were all born at Kilbarchan, Renfrewshire.

Parents of Humphrey Calder were John Calder and Elspeth Aitken ( from Christening record- residence "Eaglesham")(Abbey Paisley Parish Records)


I wanted to add the updated info for future searchers.

I thought it was a good idea Beg, to leave your info, too.

regards
Julie

[Fresh Fields]

Hello Julie.

Not sure from your post if you have checked out these.

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2fqueryEntry.m%3ftype%3ddeaths#SearchResults

- Alan.