John and Jean Barr Auckland 1842.

[Croquetplayer]

Hi All,

Researching my family in Australia only to find that they made landfall at Auckland on the Duchess of Argyle in 1842.

They are John and Jean Barr with children John 19, Arabella16, Elizabeth 14, Janet 11, Jean 7, Mary infant.
A brother William Barr and family, accompanied them.

There are many trees on Ancestry with this family recorded.
To a tree, they have strange records which do not match the known birth dates and differing places of origin.

I am trying to locate a record that will tell me where they originated from in Scotland.
Then I can have a look in the 1841 Scottish census for them.

The father, John Barr, apparently died in 1846 in NZ, but so far no one has found a record of that death.

I found a post from 2010 on Rootsweb, from someone saying that the mother and some children came to Australia in 1848/9.
I have not been able to locate this either.

Jean Barr, the 7 yr old, went on to marry John Armstrong Dodgson in South Australia in 1851.
I have their family all recorded.
I do not need help with the Dodgson side of the family.

I need some help finding some type of record like a ships manifest giving their home town or an application to come to New Zealand giving their address.

Or even births for these children in Scotland. or parents marriage.

I haven't searched Scotland or New Zealand before this and have no idea where to start.
Last night I had a go at searching from the resources listed on this board and did find some land taxes type of records. They didn't yield me any info.

I did learn that John Barr born 1823, married Isabella Barr born 1820. Presumably the young woman travelling on the Duchess of Argyle with the families but not part of either.

Any feedback would be much appreciated.

The key piece of information that I want, is where in Scotland they came from.


regards
Julie

[Janette]

Hi Julie,

This gives the names and ages of all the Barr's who arrived on the Duchess of Argyle

http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/passengers/passenger.html

Cheers Janette

[Thamesite2017]

This article xplains the certificate with where family head from
http://www.reocities.com/wlorac/duchoa42.txt

Bye
althea

[Beg Clonrode...]

EDIT:
Seems to be the wrong family so just ignore. But will leave info up for future reference

They are John and Jean Barr with children John 19, Arabella16, Elizabeth 14,   Janet 11,


The key piece of information that I want, is where in Scotland they came from.

Hello...

FamilySearch has a Janet BARR, daughter of John BARR and Jean CARR born and christened in 1832 in Barony, Lanark, Scotland.

Scotlands People has the same record.

May be the Janet aged 11. Maybe not :-)

EDIT:
Plus FamilySearch has a John BARR b.10 Nov 1824 in Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Son of John BARR and Jean KERR

EDIT:
Plus FamilySearch has an Elisabeth BARR b.10 Nov 1829 in Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Daughter of John BARR and Jean KERR


Family Search
https://www.familysearch.org/

Scotland's People
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

Regards
Beg

[Croquetplayer]

Thanks rootschatters,

I will look at all you have found.

Just noticed on the Duchess of Argyle that she sailed 9th June 1841.

No wonder no one has been able to find them in Scotland. The census night was 6th June. 
Oops! one year apart! Sorreee

They probably didn't count them.

Oh just to miss out on them by a few days hurts!! 

Julie

[Janette]

Hi Julie,

They may have come from Paisley

Two groups of Scots came to Auckland in the early 1840s. In 1841 the Scottish Colonisation Company despatched three vessels from the River Clyde, bearing migrants who settled first at Cornwallis Point. A year later the Colonial Land and Emigration Commissioners sent out a party of more than 500 from Paisley (where the textile industry was in recession) on the Duchess of Argyll and the Jane Gifford.

Cheers Janette

[Croquetplayer]

They are John and Jean Barr with children John 19, Arabella16, Elizabeth 14,   Janet 11,


The key piece of information that I want, is where in Scotland they came from.

Hello...

FamilySearch has a Janet BARR, daughter of John BARR and Jean CARR born and christened in 1832 in Barony, Lanark, Scotland.

Scotlands People has the same record.

May be the Janet aged 11. Maybe not :-)

EDIT:
Plus FamilySearch has a John BARR b.10 Nov 1824 in Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Son of John BARR and Jean KERR

EDIT:
Plus FamilySearch has an Elisabeth BARR b.10 Nov 1829 in Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Daughter of John BARR and Jean KERR


Family Search
https://www.familysearch.org/

Scotland's People
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

Regards
Beg

I checked the Batch number which is probably what you did too Beg.

I feel good about this because William Barr and Jean Cowan appear there as parents as well.

A child called Eizabeth Macbrayne Barr should be easier to track as well!!

Feel like its on the move now!!

Julie

[Croquetplayer]

Hi Julie,

They may have come from Paisley

Two groups of Scots came to Auckland in the early 1840s. In 1841 the Scottish Colonisation Company despatched three vessels from the River Clyde, bearing migrants who settled first at Cornwallis Point. A year later the Colonial Land and Emigration Commissioners sent out a party of more than 500 from Paisley (where the textile industry was in recession) on the Duchess of Argyll and the Jane Gifford.

Cheers Janette

So would this mean that everyone on the boat would have come from Paisley?

If that is the case then  can I safely  assume that they were textile workers who came out from a depressed situation to improve their lives?

Julie

[Janette]

Hi Julie,

It may be worth contacting the Auckland City Library as they may have more info

http://www.aucklandlibraries.govt.nz/EN/Forms/Pages/AskaQuestion.aspx


Cheers Janette