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[Sikes]

Hi

I'm trying to find out the first name of Mr Mortimer from the following information (hoping its James):

Saturday 1 December 1832
DEPARTURES.
For London, the same day, the ship Florentia, with a cargo of colonial produce. Passengers, Dr. Lawrence, Mr. Pow, Mr. Woodward, Mr. Burrough, Mr. Mortimer, Mr. Stubbs, Mr. Burrows.
(The Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser)

Anyone able to point me in the right direction?

Sikes

[Billyblue]

Hello Sikes
Presumably you found this via TROVE?

On the offchance Mr Mortimer was married, there are two families with births in NSW 1788-1832
the parents are George & Elizabeth, and Richard & Catherine/Catharine.
Perhaps your guy is George or Richard? 

Here is one of their marriages (presumably): 
V1821181 155/1821  MORTIMER  GEORGE  WHEELER  ELIZABETH  CD 
CD is code for Church of England, Castlereagh.  Castlereagh is in the Nepean district, west of Sydney.

Here is the other couple's marriage:
Two versions/dates but I would say it is the same couple:

V1809879 3A/1809  MORTIMER  RICHARD  HAMILTON  CATHARINE  CB   
V18101045 3A/1810  MORTIMER  RICHARD  HAMILTON  CATHARINE  CB 

CB is the code for St. John's at Parramatta.

Maybe Richard and George were brothers / cousins/ somehow related?? 

Dawn M

[Sikes]

Hi Billyblue, thank you for looking.

I did use Trove. I should have said that I'm trying to find a James Mortimer who was transported to NSW in 1818 and given a certificate of freedom on 13 Jan 1825, absconds from Hobart in 1828 (after possibly being convicted in 1827).

Another James Mortimer (possibly the same) is convicted in Sydney in 1829 for larceny and transported to a penal colony (Hobart?) for seven years. He seemed to have a nice business in stealing an employers cloth and making trousers to sell on (was found with 42 pairs). This seems to be linked to the certificate of freedom dated 28 Nov 1836.

The point of all this is trying to find out if this is the same James Mortimer (a journeyman hatter - 1841 census) who gets married in Bitton Gloucestershire in 1834, the last certificate of freedom would suggest it isn't but would they have issued one if he had managed to abscond for a second time and couldn't be found?

This has been a brick wall for about 8yrs and I'm running out of ideas.

[eregli_gene]

If he was convicted of an offense in the colony and sent to Tasmania,  then I fail to see how he could have been leaving on a ship to England in 1832 ?   I'm not following your train of thought here.

Now usually when the names of people are given for departing ships in the newspaper like that,   they are usually merchants or gentry of some kind.   

The suggestion I could give,   would be to look through the Gazettes about a month earlier.    You often see little ads which say that the person is leaving soon,  so anybody they owe money to, needs to settle their account right away.

[Dundee]

Hi Sikes,

The James MORTIMER who was transported in 1818 on the General Stuart was a native of Middlesex and was tried there.  He was a labourer in the brickfields, and was also employed as a brickmaker after arriving in the colony.  He had a brother William who was a settler and who died in 1823.

This James is the same person who was tried at the Sydney Criminal Court for larceny in 1829, sentenced to seven years and received his COF in 1836.  As far as I can see, he wasn't sent to Tasmania, but there were other convicts by this name there.  

This James was also condiderably older than yours, born c1790.

Perhaps if you tell us what your brick wall is then we may be able to help.

Debra  

[eregli_gene]

So is your actual relative the Gloucestershire hatter ?  Does the 1841 census say how old he was ?  Was he born in Gloucestershire ?

For the period around 1818,  the convict indent will often state the "native place" of the convict.  Well mine from that period do, anyway.

[Sikes]

Thanks all for the replies 

eregli_gene - I wondered if he had absconded for a 2nd time.

My brickwall (and my fiancées ancestor) is James Mortimer, baptised 1800 in St Andrews, Plymouth Devon (father Philip, mother Ann), I'm assuming this is right as I cant find any others. More info in this post: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=383066.0

I discounted this James Mortimer as I thought Id found him in the 1851 census elsewhere but now I cant find him again: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQBF-H98

Married to Mary Loveless (31 Aug 1834) in Bitton, Gloucestershire. In every English census he states occupation as 'journeyman hatter', I have no idea where he was for the first 30 odd years of his life.

On the 1841 census he is 35 but 47 on the 1851 and 52 in 1861.

I came across the James in Sydney and wondered if that was my man, it looks as though its not.