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Offline DebbieDee

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Re: Am I the only person that does this?
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 01 April 12 13:36 BST (UK) »
I am doing this at the moment  ;D

I have an ancestor last seen at her daughter's baptism in 1797.  Her son turned up in 1815 over 200 miles away...

I'm currently going with the theory that her husband bumped her off and then fled with the children - possibly aided and abetted by his mother  :o


PS Have finally got round to putting all my 'evidence' together if anyone has a spare few hours minutes to have a look:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=590014.new#new

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Re: Am I the only person that does this?
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 22 April 12 20:24 BST (UK) »
Of course, the prosaic explanation (mis-spelled name in the census, missing page in the census, etc) usually turns out to be the correct one...

But I also have a story where the truth has turned out to be stranger than I expected, although the mystery isn't quite solved yet.  I will post it here, for anyone who is interested in reading the whole thing...

My g-g-g-grandmother was a Frances Patrick, from North Walsham, Norfolk, England.  She married my g-g-g-grandfather in 1866, moved to Kent and had a whole lot of children - no mystery there.  But trying to trace her family further back has proved more difficult.  Her marriage certificate gives her father as James Patrick, Saddler.  As she was born in 1844, she is not on the 1841 census, but I found a James Patrick, Saddler, in North Walsham, with wife and five-year-old daughter.  Reasonable to assume that I had found Frances' parents and sister.  But looking for them on any subsequent census?  Not a trace... And therefore no accurate idea of when or where her parents were born, as the 1841 information is so vague. 

Frances herself pops up again in 1861, but by this time she is living and working as a servant in London.  On her marriage cert, though, there is no suggestion that her father is dead.  So where is he? Not to mention her mother, and all her siblings (FreeBMD provides me with a whole list of probable siblings).

The answer is surprising.  With the help of a fellow-researcher on here, I found a family who were almost certainly mine - there is James, there is his wife, he is a harness-maker (similar to a saddler), he lives in London but was born in Norfolk, all his children were born in North Walsham, and the names and dates match up exactly.  Only problem?  Their name is Watts. 

Delving a little deeper, I found a marriage record for James and his wife (he married twice, but that's a different and less puzzling story) on which his father's name is given as Henry.  There is no obvious baptism record for him, but there is a marriage between a Henry Patrick and a Mary WATTS...

Are they James' parents?  If so, why did he move to London and assume his mother's maiden name?  I thought I'd found the answer when I discovered that Henry Patrick was deported for cattle-stealing, but the deportation happened fifteen years or so before James changed his name (there is a fairly small window of time for him to have done so - he had a child born and baptised under the name Patrick, in Norfolk, in 1850, and appears in London as Watts in 1851...). 

So, I found what had happened to my disappearing family, but to be honest, it created more questions than it answered...
Harris - Isle of Wight/Surrey
Mills, Penfold - Kent
Patrick - Norfolk
Corner, Barnard, Aucock - Sussex
Turner, Siddle, Dodds - County Durham
Burton, Chapman - Yorkshire
Waite - West Bromwich/Lincolnshire
Nisbet - Edinburgh/Ayrshire
MacMillan, Hay - Ayrshire/County Antrim (N. Ireland)
Fraser, MacDonald, Baillie - Inverness-shire
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Re: Am I the only person that does this?
« Reply #20 on: Monday 23 April 12 13:10 BST (UK) »
I am going to North Walsham tomorrow ... would you like any photos taken of the little town or the church?

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Re: Am I the only person that does this?
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 29 May 12 17:04 BST (UK) »
The frustration of vanishing people is almost as bad as the frustration of those who "pop up" from nowhere! I've got two very persistent little blighters, one, a James Henry Anderson who was recorded as that when he was born in 1867 in Flintshire, at Hawarden, and at least sticks to that birthplace ( or close) when he does pop up again - no trace anywhere either withhis parents James and mother Mary or Maria Johnson in 1871 1881 or, despite record of his marriage in 1889, with his wife, up in Wigan, in 1891. He then appears again in 1901, and 1911. As he was a miner, do you think he could have been hiding down a mine all that time?? Did it run in the family, is that why I can't find his parents in 1871 / 1881? Or is it just that stupid combination of a (very) common name, and a job that makes you move round often?
-I think i prefer to imagine them sitting hiding in a mine..... like Gollum ...
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Re: Am I the only person that does this?
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 14 June 12 16:32 BST (UK) »
One of my great grandfathers walked out on his family in 1900, never to be heard from again.. So I reckon he absconded with another woman  ;D
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Re: Am I the only person that does this?
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 24 June 12 01:41 BST (UK) »
Rishile,
See you aren't alone.  :)
I have always subscribed to the left field theory concept when it comes to breaking down all that brick and mortar.And it doesn't have to be our more distant ancestors either.
After years of failing to find a death for a first cousin 2x-removed, I had come up with every theory you can imagine. It was only with some creative search techniques that I found she had married (for the first time) at 73! That old chestnut about truth and fiction rings true every time.
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Re: Am I the only person that does this?
« Reply #24 on: Friday 24 August 12 17:54 BST (UK) »
i have thisproblem too with my 2 x gg and his parents, they all 3 appear in the 71 with my 2 x gg as a baby but no trace of either parent alfred loveridge or comfort parker before the 71 other than there births, no trace of the parents of comfort or alf either then they all dissapear for the 81, comfort reappears in the 91 with a man with a different name thomas gray i suspect it is still alf, but israel my 2 x gg doesnt appear again till the 01 ann 11 as a family man with children so what happens to him from a 1 yr old till he appreas 30 yrs later, very odd. they were romanies which is probably why i cant find them but still very frustrating. i wandered if they took off travelling round europe for years,maybe they joined the circus, very unlikely but who knows.
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calladine and Bostock,pot hawkers-Derbyshire

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Re: Am I the only person that does this?
« Reply #25 on: Friday 24 August 12 18:20 BST (UK) »
No you are not alone

I have turned 3 sisters and their mother in to mass husband murderers who must have them buried under the floorboards somewhere. Another very tragic romantic story for my 2xGGrandparents which has changed several times as new info appears and a double identity/name change (which I think is actually true) story.
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Re: Am I the only person that does this?
« Reply #26 on: Friday 24 August 12 18:28 BST (UK) »
I came across a real wag in my family tree who on the 1911 census must have decided that the gubbment wants to know too much and put the following:

Note his wife is named as Mrs! lol...oh and they had at least 4 children too according to my research (pending certificate verification)

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Hollinshead, Stafford/Guisborough
Pratt, Berwick/Newcastle-upon-Tyne
McDonald, Teesdale
Charlton, Hexham
Carlyle, Hexham/Annan Dumfries