GERMANY: Immigrants to East End from Germany

[sandiep]

its really difficult isnt it my hubbies side is really hard they came over sometime in 1790-1810 they are on the 1841 & 1851 but it only says from germany Samuel Raphael married Sarah Franc? in 1833 in Great synagogue but only names I have for parents aretheir jewish ones he was Shmuel son of Meir Halevi and she was Zelfa dau of Shlomech Zalaman

can trace them forward but not backward lots of people seem to have been researching this family but nobody can get any further back I am not sure with all the name changes that these families have Jewish families have cerimonial names and familiy names and civic names

Still we all keep trying I did find http://www.jewishgen.org/databases was quite helpful
http://jewishwebindex.com
http://www.eclipse.co.uk
sandie

[Berlin-Bob]

Hi Juniper,

Your original query was a while ago, but I was just browsing through RootsChat and saw sugarbaker and immediately thought of this site:

http://www.mawer.clara.net/intro.html

It is a site devoted to german Sugar Refiners & Sugarbakers who emigrated to the U.K.

The site has history, sources, locations and a database of (as of today) 15,184 names !
This site is a must, for general info, and specifically, german sugar-working immigrants !

Just for fun, I looked up Gobener and found

GÖBEN Hermann - (Zucker-becker) (verh. St.Michaelis) Hamburg 1755

I don't know how good your german is, so just in case:
zucker is sugar and becker is probably a phonetic spelling of Bäcker or missprint of Baecker, meaning Baker
verh. is an abbreviation of verheiratet = married

A possible ?
Try out some other possible name changes as well.
Good Luck !

p.s.
just discovered the site was recommended here on RootsChat by JDG.
Thanks, JDG, it's a great site !

[Berlin-Bob]

Hi Juniper,
probably too much to hope for, that some one says "is this the one ?" and it is !

Still, we all keep trying, and one day .................


Going off on a tangent:
I notice you are looking for Baxters and Colemans.
I have a Joseph Baxter, who married Hessie Stevenson, about 1850's in Ireland (the wife's g-g-grandparents),
and
I have a Henry Frederick Coleman, came over from Germany, probably   between 1882 (he's not in the 1881 census) and 1887, when he married Rose Elvina Breeze (my g-grandparents).

Probably no connections at all (both had fairly small families), but, no harm in asking .......

[Berlin-Bob]

Still looking for Schwarmann from Sagehorn  ? 

I was looking up someone else recently in a german database (GEDBAS) and out of idle curiosity I typed in Gobener (no hits) and Schwarmann (1 hit)

http://gedbas.genealogy.net/datenblatt.jsp?nr=7205535

~~~~~~~~
Margaretha Schwarmann

geboren:  1685 Sagehorn
gestorben:  B 23.10.1719 Sagehorn


Eltern     


Ehepartner und Kinder 5.9.1710 - Henrich LÜSSEN 

T 11.10.1711 - Henrich LÜSSEN
T 11.3.1713 - Lüder LÜSSEN
T 8.12.1715 - Anna Liesbeth LÜSSEN
T 15.10.1717 - Margarethe LÜSSEN
 

 
Einsender:
Elk Bensemann
elkbensemann[AT]hotmail.com
~~~~~~~~-

The 'T' next to the children is probably for 'Taufe' - Baptism

Don't know if you can do anything with the info. but I thought you might like to see it !  Maybe add it to your family chronicle as a footnote ?

Regards,
Bob

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[juniper]

Hi Bob,  Have not checked for a few days so was lucky to pick up your message so quickly.  Thanks for the information on Schwarmann.  Will keep it on file.    I have been concentrating on Gobener last couple of weeks because of reunion on Sunday with new Gobener cousins.  Your recent advice proved helpful and have now realised Gobener & Goebener are same name, the latter without the umlaut over the o.  Now having some success in Selsingen area of Hannover.   Looking  for Nicholas Gobener / Nicolaus Goebener in Hannover & found one in Selsingen.  Now looking for link between him & my TEWES!  Thanks again. J. 

[Berlin-Bob]

Hi Juniper,

Good luck with the reunion ...
...  and when you get back to Schwarmann:

I have posted another site in "Sharing useful Links: Germany ...": http://www.geneanet.org/
I typed Schwarmann and got a list of 4, including Margaretha Schwarmann from Sagehorn (btw: pronounced saga-horn).
Different contact address from the GEDBAS one, so I clicked on that, which gave a web-address: http://www.gencircles.com/users/cpsmitchell/1
for Carol Peymann Mitchel and more Schwarmann details ....

But, one thing at a time ! Hope you have a great time at the family reunion !

[juniper]

Hi Bob,
Thanks once again for all your kind help.  Had a quick look.   Those names keep cropping up!  Wish I could link them to mine.   Will get emailing!   All the best. J.

[loo]

If this thread is still being read, the Anglo-German Historical Society has published a book on German hairdressers in the UK.  Irene, you mentioned that your ancestor was a hairdresser earlier in this thread.  I have not yet seen this book, although a relative of mine has it and reports that there are actual names included.
The book is called:
German Hairdressers in the UK:  their effect upon the British way of life, by Jenny Towey, London:  Anglo-German Family History Society, 2004.  It is available through http://www.genfair.com/shop/pages/ang/page04.html
Thanks for the info about the repatriation ship being blown up at sea;  I am still trying to find out what happened to my interned relative, Peter Krein (who was not a hairdresser).

[irene. seabrook]

Have looked at the book on Amazon and it is £14 but expensive if my gt.grandfather is not mentioned. Does anyone have the book please and if so could they please check if he is there. Otto Herman/Charles Herman (looks like he did his training at Hoxton. Many thanks Irene