GERMANY: Immigrants to East End from Germany

[juniper]

I am researching the surnames GOBENER/GOEBENER and SCHWARMANN/SWARMANN/SWARMAN. I am looking for descendants of TEWES GOBENER, sugarbaker from Selsingen? Hannover who settled in Whitechapel in the mid 1800s, & his wife EMMA SCHWARMANN. She was the daughter of HENRY SCHWARMANN who I believe was from  Bremen, Germany.   TEWES & EMMA had a large family, so I believe there may be some descendants still in UK.   If anyone has any information I would be grateful for their help. Thanks. 

[Berlin-Bob]

Have you tried a google-search for Schwarmann ?

I found:
"... Schwarmann Family - 8/26/99 -- I am a Richard Henry Schwarmann from Sagehorn, Germany, the birth place of the Schwarmanns, however living in the United States. ... "

with web-address:
http://www.hopefarm.com/ulsquer3.htm

I don't know how far "removed" Richard is, but the contact may be useful.

Hals und Beinbruch !
Bob

[Black Sheep]

Hello June,

I checked www.192.com for you.......

I found 3 Gobeners in the uk 2003/2004 Electoral Roll but no Schwarmann's sadley.

Regards

Sarah

[irene. seabrook]

I wish I could find out when my gt. grandfather came to England from Germany is there a way I can do that? I can only find him on the 1901 census, he married 1890 and had his first child, that I am aware, in 1892 but cannot find him on the 1891 census as Benjamin Amsden Binner or Otto Herman(1st child's birth certificate) or Charles Hermann on 3rd children birth certificate. Regards Irene

[juniper]

Hello Irene. 
I am at a dead end myself with my German ancestry for the exact same reason - I just cannot find how to trace them on any passenger lists.  If anyone can help I too would be grateful for any advice. I have looked at the Anglo Germany History Society website: www.art-science.com/agfhs  ( Len Metzners Indexes?).   But most passenger list sites seem to apply to those leaving Germany for USA e.g. www.olivetreegenealogy.com.    I had a look via google for Binner genealogy but not much there for you.  Wish I could help.  If anyone can help point Irene and myself in the right direction please get in touch. Thanks.

[Black Sheep]

Hello Irene,

Can you not find any of the family in the 1891 Census 

What was his occupation at the time, maybe this may give you a clue. I saw this article on German miners which is what made me think of you.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/immig_emig/england/cumbria/article_1.shtml

Sarah

[Black Sheep]

Here is some basis information I found on Germany

Germany
The territory of Germany has varied considerably over the centuries. Until 1871 Germany consisted of numerous independent kingdoms, duchies, principalities and states, whose borders often changed and merged. In 1871 all states except the Austrian states were consolidated into the German Empire, under the leadership of Prussia.

After the First World War, some areas ceded to France, Belgium and Denmark. Posen and parts of Silesia and West Prussia ceded to Poland and the northern tip of East Prussia (Memel) went to Lithuania.

After the Second World War, East Prussia divided between Poland and Russia; most of Pommerania, West Prussia and Silesia went to Poland.

Record Keeping in Germany was not consistent until 1876 and very much depends on the state.

Archives
Internal provincial border changes often make it hard to determine which archive has the particular records you need. Some archives are:


Zentralstelle fur Genealogie
Georgi-Demitroff-Platz 1
O-7010
Leipzig
(Holds vital statistic records for more than 400 communities)


Leo Baeck Institute
New York
NY 10021
Web site: www.lbi.com



Births, Marriages and Death Registry Offices
Senatsverwaltung fur Inneres in Berlin
IC 506/507
Fehrbelliner Platz
D-10702 Berlin


There is no central registry office in Berlin, each district has its own. If the exact address of the district is not known, the above may be of use.


Landesarchiv Berlin
Kalckrreuthstrasse 1-2
D-10777 Berlin


Holds lists of Berlin deportations and other Berlin Jewish Communal material


Bundesarchiv
Berliner Strasse 98-101
O-1561 Potsdam


Staatsbibliothek (a major library)
Unter den Linden 8,
Postfach 1312
O-1086 Berlin


Hamburg Staatsarchiv website www.hamburg.de/fhh/behoerden/staatsarchiv/ has a searchable database with details of many emigrants embarking at Hamburg.


State Archive Stuttgart
Konrad-Adenauerstrasse 4
D-780137 Stuttgart
Email: Hauptstaatarchiv[AT]s.lad-bw.de
Web site: www.lad-bw.de


Generallandesarchiv Karlsuhe
Nordliche Hildapromenade 2
D-76133 Karlsruhe

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[irene. seabrook]

Sorry I have been away so have not been on the sight for awhile.
No luck tracing my german gt.gdf. He was a hairdresser. He married my english gt.gdm and they had a large family. The family story goes that after WW1 he was repatriated back to Germany, the ship he was on was blown up at sea and he died. I have him in the 1901 census but not sure about 1891 (could be him) Cannot find the marriage certificate. Not sure of his german name. I have him as Charles Hermann in census and my grandfather's birthcertificate but my grandfather's sisters have him as Otto Hermann on their birth certificates. He married Alice Stroud.(if they married)
I have purchased 2 marriage certificates that are no good to me.
Otto Reinhold Haus/Hans Herrmann
Benjamin Armsden Biner
both marrying an Alice. Any use to you please let me know.
Where does one go from here.
Regards Irene

[D ap D]

Can I just add to Sarahs mail that the postcodes for Germany have changed.

the O prefix was for the eastern states and W for West. They were all replaced by the D prefix.

Also, the 4 digit codes have all been replaced by 5 digit ones.