The LONG family of Netherton Colliery

[Keith Dixon]

Hello there,
I am trying to find more information (a photograph would be wonderful) of Andrew LONG, who lived from 1870, and married Elizabeth MARSHALL in 1894 (both from Cowpen) and died at Netherton around 1936, aged about 66.  He was a Deputy OVERMAN at the pit.  My grandmother was his daughter, she was Elizabeth Long (same name as her mother upon marriage).  Apart from my grandmother Elizabeth Long, there were other siblings including John LONG who lived at 14 Cowgate Street, Cambois, near Blyth, for about 30 years ending when Cambois Colliery Closed in 1968.
I have used ancestry.co for basic research but hope for more intimate details such as a photograph.  I know his family originated from Norfolk, Hindringham, and I know his father was Samuel Long (who married Elizabeth Hardy).
I hope I may get a copy of a photograph of him.  Archives at Woodhorn enquiry said they had no colliery info on Netherton, but it was a 3 rd enquiry and the guy was very rushed so I could try there again in a different approach.
Anyone busy with the Longs, perhaps with a photo box with a picture of him and his wife in?
I do have 2 super photos of some of the Marshall girls.
Kind regards
Keith Dixon (Retired Teacher) of Tynemouth

[c-side]

Hi Keith

I'm not sure what Woodhorn have in regard to collieries - sometimes I think they have so many collections they don't always know themselves    I can find out for you next Wednesday if you wish.

In the meantime Durham Mining Museum website has the information on Netherton colliery itself - facts and statistics galore

http://www.dmm.org.uk/colliery/n007.htm

Unfortunately they don't have personnel details for anyone other than those killed in accidents.

Christine

[Michael Dixon]

Keith,

 As Christine has already said, archives/libraries etc have none/little info on
individual miners, other than their demise.

 However because of the massive growth in popularity in family research etc,
many books have recently been published on mining communities, that do publish
photos of individual folk.

But it is pot luck.

 In my hand I have a 20 page booklet, entitled "Netherton (Nedderton) ", by Stephen B Martin, published by Evan S B Martin, one in a series called Bedlingtonshire Villages History Series. Four of the photos show people but hardly any of them are named ) Pit lads 1910- none named e.g. colliery football team 1921, none named, colliery brass band (here the colliery manager, Anthony Scott was mentioned.)

See some photos of colliery life on the Northumberland Communities site at
http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/Nedderton_C4.htm


Michael

[dolly dimples]

Keith, Just to add. Ultimately that is what we are all desperate to find.
  Photograph's are the icing on the cake!

   Look in charity shops, car boot sales etc' also Ebay,
        you might be lucky to come across old family bibles, pictures etc'

                 Good Luck  Dolly.

 PS take a look at   www.dmm.org.uk
         
 Lot's of mining info here..

[Keith Dixon]

Dear Christine
I would like to ask you for a little help, thank you for your earlier reply.  My e mail is (*) and I'm in Tynemouth.
My grandfather Thomas william Dixon died in Bedlington.  He was born in 1893, married Elizabeth Long in 1918 and their first child was my father Andrew Dixon, now deceased in 2005.  I'm 59 and a retired teacher.  I never knew my grandfather as I was perhaps a toddler when he was born.  Due to a family rift as my grandfather married a second time due to premature death of his first wife, that marriage was in 1944 in Bedlington to Mary Jane Maughan who became Mary Jane Dixon.  They lived at 22 Steadland
Square in Bedlington in the 1950's.  She died in 1977 I have her death certificate where his name appears as deceased coal miner.
I have his birth cert, his 2 marriage certs, but cannot get a death certificate for him.
Morpeth Registrars INSIST they do not have it nor Newcastle.  My cousin lived near to my grandfather and says he died in around 1954 when my cousin was 8 years old.  I have been to Woodhorn and searched Bedliington Burials book, Cowpen Crematorium state they did not cremate him, I have wandered round West Ridge Church yard bedlington where First wife was buried, for hours.
No luck.  Choppington Parish tell me he is not buried there.  So no death cert and no proof of burial or cremation so where do I go from here?  At wits end!!  He was a Bedlington Man, died in Bedlington, possibly at Thomas Taylor homes (but registrar say they have checked there in that book as well).  It's as if they are determined to outdo me!!  Nothing on ancestry search fits his Date of Birth
i.e. the wrong age has been given when his death was registered, or when computerised, perhaps by step son.  Stepson born in 1935 does not appear to have died but cannot be traced.  Mosley Maxfield Maughan.
How would you handle this please, can you help?
Thank you Allan Keith Dixon

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[c-side]

Hi Allan,

Firstly, could you please remove your email address before a moderator moves it for you - it's not considered safe to have it on public view.

Thinking logically two things come to mind.  1.  He must have died: 2. he could not have been buried or cremated without a death certificate.

It follows that something is amiss with the information you are working with.  Death registrations are often a little out in age or other items as the person declaring the death may not have all the facts.  If this was his step-son then that could be the case.  Have you checked for Tom, William or Bill?.

I'll have a think and get back to you.

Christine

[Keith Dixon]

Thank you Christine.  I have tried without success to remove the e mail so apologies if it was inappropriate and perhaps a moderator will remove it for me or tell me how you do that.  The site isn't the easiest to find way round.
I have now traced an address for Thomas william Dixon's step son who will have attended the funeral and will at least remember where it was, I can then trace it with a paper trail and try for the third time with the registry office.  I have noted your advice and will ponder it and act upon it. 
Yes I've tried all of the different connotations for names, there are only a few possible certificates and the registrar won't sell me them as they are the wrong people.  Seems like he vanished without burial cremation or death certificate !!  I will have to get these details from the stepson and then go on a paper trail to get the proof I need.  There has been a mistake somewhere because 2 people confirm the date of his death, there is no one by any name like his NATIONALLY even I've seen findmypast.  Very challenging.  Anyway I will try and come back on here and let you know or will take your further advice if indeed there is anything to be done.  Many thanks for your interest.  Allan Keith Dixon Tynemouth

[Radcliff]

Mosley M Maughan married
Northumberland central 1968,
I will send spouse via pm

[Michael Dixon]

 Keith,

  Bear with me for a wee while- it might help- or hinder you.... and it's boring !

 You say that Thomas William Dixon died "around 1954" , " in Bedlington, possibly at Thomas Taylor homes",  and that "2 people confirm date of his death " ! 
 
What is the date of his death ?
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 You have come across some candidates for his death registration.. What ID criteria to you use to eliminate candidates ?

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Let us assume that he died in the Thomas Taylor Homes!

 These homes and the neighbouring Mona Taylor Maternity Home, were not in Bedlington.
 These homes were sited in open countryside on the road A192, between the towns of Bedlington and Morpeth.
 The site used for the homes was within the eastern part of the parish, "township", and village bounds of Stannington.
 And in modern times, locals referred to the homes as been "in" Stannington.
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 In the context of BMD registrations, BMDs in Stannington from July 1837 to Dec 1936, were recorded within the Castle Ward Registration District. ( The four sub-districts that comprised Castle Ward RD were Gosforth, Ponteland, Stamfordham and Newburn)

 In the 1936/7 Registration Districts reorganisation, Castle Ward RD was abolished. It's BMD registers for the past 99 and a half years, and responsibility for future registrations, were passed on to Northumberland Central RD ( new name for Morpeth RD) and Northumberland South ( new name for Tynemouth RD )

The Stannington registers went to Northumberland Central ( situated at Morpeth)

Then on 1st April 1969, another reorganisation, this time minor, took the eastern part of Stannington's  1837-1969 registers and future jusidiction, from Northumberland Central ( at Morpeth) to Northumberland South ( at North Shields).

(Administrators had decided to merge that part of Stannington with Seaton Valley)

Then with the creation of Tyne and Wear  "unitary" in 1974, Northumberland South divied up it's registers between North Tyneside RD ( at North Shields) , Newcastle RD and "Northumberland (Morpeth)".  The Stannington records went back to Morpeth, where they should be now, unless they got lost in their travels ?

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 So if he died in Thomas Taylor Homes in c1954, his death would have been registered with Northumberland Central RD ( at Morpeth). Then later the record passed on to Northumberland South ( at North Shields) in 1969. Then in 1974 passed back  to Northumberland Central, at Morpeth.

 He died within the county of Northumberland. Today there are only four registration districts within Northumberland- Northumberland North First ( Office at Berwick), Northumberland North Second ( at Alnwick), Northumberland West ( Hexham) and Northumberland Central ( at  Morpeth). So it seems reasonable to assume that his death registration lies with one of Northumberland's registers !
And if "North Shields" passed it on in 1974, as they should have done, it should be somewhere in Morpeth RO !

  Michael