1935 Leeds marriage Speight/Tyreman

[ChelseaAnne2206]

Hi Marriage 1935 Leeds St Agnes Aug3
 Fred Speight 23  Engineer  4 Nuffin avenue ?     Father not down
 Rose May Wilson Tyreman 25 24 Doris Avenue Tailoress  Father GeorgeFrederick Wilson
 Both Sign       Wit: George Frederick Wilson         Francis Horner West Vicar
                            John Albert Wilson
     Regards Philip

[ChelseaAnne2206]

With Regards to Nuffin Avenue.... Could it possibly be Kyffin Avenue?

Speaking to my father in law he's just said.... When grandma Speight (Fred's Mum) died Rose and Fred moved into 4 Kyffin Avenue to bring up George and Ernest, Fred's Stepbrothers and their surname was Jobbins, They were the children of Fred's mothers 2nd marriage.

Hope this helps

[peterb]

Hi Chelsea, this could be interesting. My maternal grandmother, Beatrice Olivia Wilson (1881-1961) was the oldest of 9 children of John Albert Wilson and Mary Louisa Leach.

After my grandmother was born, the family went to Montreal, Canada. The second child, George Frederick was born there in 1883. The family then moved back to Leeds, where the rest of the children were born.

George Frederick appears in the 1891 and 1901 censuses  as an 8 and 18 year old, living with his parents.
George F appears in the 1911 census, age 28, unmarried.
Living at the same address was Ada Tyreman, 28, married.

There is a marriage of Ada Coleman to George Tyreman m. 1900 Leeds Registered Building RB/132/164
There is a birth of Margaret Thompson Tyreman b. 1906 Leeds West WEST/261/313
I can find no death record for George Tyreman

There is a birth of Rose May W Tyreman b. q/e June 1910 Holbeck 9b 491

There is a Leeds registry office marriage between George Frederick Wilson and Ada Tyreman in the September qtr of 1913.
There are several births to the Wilson-Coleman family:
George Frederick b. q/e June 1912 Leeds 9b 624 Mother Coleman (Witness at Rose's wedding)
John Albert b. q/e March 1914 Leeds 9b 622 Mother Coleman (Witness at Rose's wedding)
William A b. q/e March 1917 Leeds 9b 514 Mother Coleman
Arthur b. q/e June 1918 Leeds 9b 477 Mother Coleman

I have no information re Fred Speight other than:
Birth q/e December 1911 Leeds 9b 748 Mother Speight
Marriage details in this thread.

I checked for children of Speight-Tyreman and Speight-Wilson and came up with several possibles:
Speight-Wilson
1938 J (Male)
1939 SA (Female)
1941 D (M)
1941 CM (M)
1942 S (F)
1944 W (M)
Speight-Tyreman
PJ 1949 (F)

I also have possible marriage and children of Rose's brother George Frederick.

I hope this is useful.
PeterB

[ChelseaAnne2206]

Hi Peter, thanks for getting back to us.

With regards to the information you've sent i am engaged to David M who is the son of CM (Colin).
His Auntie was Pauline (PJ). We currently live in the Canary Islands and Davids Father Colin is here with us on holiday, so through talking with him maybe we can fill in some of the blanks for you.

Here's what we know...
Rose May Wilson (Tyreman?) born April 1910 (David's grandma, Colin's Mum).
had 2 younger FULL Brothers: George & John.

George married Lena (not 100% on the spelling).
They had 3 boys, Eldest (can't remember name), Graham, and John.
Graham was deaf-mute due to meningitis as a baby.

John married but we don't know who to.

Rose's mother died and her father re married, he died, his widow (2nd wife) Re married there are 3 children but we don't know from which marriage: Teddy Thompson (Edward?) Margaret, and Alice.

As Colin understands it Fred & Rose married in St Georges, Leeds.
Fred was a Cloth Printer, went into the army RASC & Royal Artillery (World War II) after Dunkirk. At some point on his tour in Germany. We believe a son was conceived younger than Colin, we don't have anymore information on him but that is what started our journey on this site, if you come across any more info on him we would love to know.

Fred Speight, was born out of wedlock, and had 2 step brothers; George & Ernest Jobbins.
These were the children of Fred's Mothers marriage to ? Jobbins.
However when George & Ernest's mother & father died (Jobbins). Fred & Rose moved into 4 Kyffin Avenue, to look after them.
George served in the army, and Ernest in the RAF. Don't know if it helps but 4 Kyffin Avenue was in a place called the Sutton estate, Halton, Leeds. Which means they may be a rental agreement somewhere for Fred's mother & ? Jobbins.

Colin Speight (Fred's Son) was christened and confirmed in St Wilfrids, Halton, Leeds.

This is unrelated to info above, But Colin has married twice. once to a Thompson, and once to a Wilson. Funny old world isn't it, so it appears that we are related to you.

Can i ask how you came to be in Australia?

Nice to meet you.

I will attach a photo below, it would be a photo if you care to send one if we are (Although distant) blood related.

Chelsea x

EDIT: I have sent the photo via pm

[peterb]

Just had a quick look at some records

Births Jun 1891 Jobbins    Henry Oldknow        Leeds    9b   476
Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1891
JOBBINS   Henry O       Leeds Southeast   Leeds   SE/126/394

Births Mar 1889 Speight    Gertrude         Leeds    9b   443
Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1889 (Possible)
SPEIGHT   Gertrude       Leeds North   Leeds   NORTH/191/218

Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1917
JOBBINS Henry O  SPEIGHT Gertrude St Stephen and St Agnes, Burmantofts Leeds CE8/B/452
Marriages Dec 1917
Jobbins    Henry O    Speight    Leeds    9b   549
Speight    Gertrude    Jobbins    Leeds    9b   549

Births Jun 1919
Jobbins    Hilda    Speight    Leeds    9b   483
Deaths Dec 1919
Jobbins    Hilda    1    Leeds    9b   542

Births Mar 1921
JOBBINS    George    Speight    Leeds    9b   743
Births Jun 1923
Jobbins    Ernest    Speight    Leeds    9b   760

Deaths Mar 1938
JOBBINS    Henry O    46    Leeds South    9b   657
Deaths Dec 1938   (>99%)
Jobbins    Gertrude    49    Leeds North    9b   522

Will look at the rest of your post and comment soon

PeterB

[peterb]

Chelsea, here are a few more thoughts on your family-

It seems likely that GF Wilson (sr) and Ada Coleman/Tyreman had five (5) children:
Rose MW Tyreman b.1910
George Frederick 1912-1997
John Albert b. 1913
William A 1917-1917
Arthur 1918-1919

Ada died in 1921 at age 37

George Frederick (jr) married Lena Sharp
15th April 1933 George Frederick Wilson, 21, Iron Moulder of 3 Wilson Court, father also G.F.W., Plasterers Labourer, married Lena Sharp 22 of 17 Bedford Place, father John James Sharp, Tailors Presser.
Witnesses Doris Wilson and John James Sharp at St George's Church, Leeds

Notice the witnesses at this wedding, Lena's father and possibly George Frederick's stepmother.

There is a marriage of George F Wilson to Doris Linfoot at Leeds Registry Office in 1923

There is a birth of Dorothy J Wilson in 1925, Mother Linfoot

George Frederick (sr) died in 1936 age 53. Did his widow (Doris?) marry someone with children?

George (jr) and Lena's children - David J (1940) Graham J (1942) and John A (1944)
There is also a birth in 1935 - Neil F Wilson, mother Sharp, that you may be able to rule out

As indicated earlier Fred and Rose were married at St Stephen and St Agnes, Burmantofts

As for me, I came to Australia in 1954 with my parents and two older brothers. I have a younger sister, born in Adelaide, who lives in London.

[ChelseaAnne2206]

Thankyou so much for getting back to us with even more information, in particular some about yourself as clearly you and my fiance David are blood relatives and at 50yrs old there's not many left, it would be lovely to continue to stay touch and of course if we learn anymore I'll pass it on to you.
Did you manage to receive the photograph, I would be curious to know if there is any family resemblance to either my father in law Colin or fiance David and your family.

P.s if you ever find yourself in canary islands feel free to look us up.

Out of curiosity Fred was a pianist, colin is a drummer, and David plays both drums, piano & guitar, and makes his living as a singer/entertainer. We were wondering if the musical gene had made it all the way to Australia.

All the best, David & Chelsea Speight to be 😜 xx

[ChelseaAnne2206]

Colin always thought it was Rose MW and Fred that married in St George's Church,
as that was the parish where Rose served as a live in cleaner in the hyde terrace area.

He remembers having an auntie Dorothy but always thought she was a friend of Rose. He believes that she married to a friend of Fred, from the army Ron Hornby (Unsure on spelling). But he seems to recall her having a geordie accent, possibly Newcastle. Could this be the same person?

Colin wasn't aware of either of the children William A or Arthur that passed away as babies.

With regards to the children of George & Lena, he has no knowledge of David J, however Graham is the person who went deaf after contracting meningitis as a baby. He vaguely remembers Neil F Wilson and also says their family lived in Armley, near Leeds.

We will try and track down some photos, once Colin returns to the Uk after his holidays, so we can all put faces to the names if you wish.

As a side note. We find it ironic that your family is in the area of Adelaide. In 1972 Colin, Marianne and my fiance David (aged 3 at the time) were planning to move to Elizabeth, near Adelaide. But it never happened.

As always thankyou so much for the information, we will keep plying Colin with coffee and see if any other memories rise to the top.

[peterb]

As far as can tell, David J Wilson was another child who didn't survive long. Birth and death registered in quick succession.

Births June qtr 1940 Wilson David J Mother Sharp Leeds 9b 693
Deaths December qtr 1940 Wilson David J Age 0 Leeds 9b 422

At the time of her marriage, Rose lived at 24 Doris Avenue, which is very close to St Agnes.

If you like, I can send you a facebook friend request. That may help to facilitate the exchange of photos etc.