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Re: Arthur Crabtree born 12 October 1892
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 22 June 25 02:45 BST (UK) »
Here is a link to your thread from March 2012 on the Canada Board -- this also provides further links (at reply # 2) to your other threads concerning Arthur CRABTREE. 

Am adding this here so that others can be spared searching for information which has already been found and in some instances, is able to be ruled out.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=587529.msg4386369#msg4386369

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Re: Arthur Crabtree born 12 October 1892
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 22 June 25 02:56 BST (UK) »
Hello SNG

Just wanted to ask if you have any real proof that Arthur CRABTREE actually came to New Zealand ?

You've said on here (somewhere ? ) you'd found him arriving in NZ c. 1914 ... and suggested that information came from a New Zealand newspaper ... or some other NZ source ??
Can you expand on this please ?

Also, in one of your other threads it was mentioned that a check for Arthur would be made on the 1921 UK census (when it became available).  Was that done ??

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Re: Arthur Crabtree born 12 October 1892
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 22 June 25 20:05 BST (UK) »
Thank you Lucy2.

That rules out Arthur.

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Re: Arthur Crabtree born 12 October 1892
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 22 June 25 20:22 BST (UK) »
Hi Lucy2,

I haven’t been able to find a passenger list with Arthur’s name on it.

One of the twin’s older brothers had earlier emigrated to NZ. He worked his passage.

Their other older brother along with his family emigrated later. The family still live in NZ.

It was felt that the family could possibly have a new life in NZ especially as the twins had been in a Children’s Home.

Arthur was always spoken about by my grandparents. When we visited his sister (my great aunt) and her family, the question “I wonder what happened to Arthur” always cropped up.
Ironically despite my grandparents and parents having passed away he is still spoken about.

Yes as soon as the 1921 census was opened on FindMyPast, I searched. I have also extensively searched the 1939 register using his birthdate only.

As long as I am alive I will keep looking for him. He is part of my family.

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Re: Arthur Crabtree born 12 October 1892
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 22 June 25 20:30 BST (UK) »
Surely if it was a well connected family then if Arthur had turned up in NZ, one of the NZ ones would have confirmed it. Didn’t you say somewhere that Ernest & his wife travelled back? If not they were at least in contact with your branch or your mother wouldn’t be in that will.

Even if he had blotted his copybook and they wrote him off, I should think the conversation would not run along the lines of “I wonder what happened to Arthur” but more “it’s a shame about Arthur” or “yes, There was Arthur, we don’t mention him” and in fact the elders in the family would prefer not to mention him at all.

That has been my experience of family secrets anyway.

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Re: Arthur Crabtree born 12 October 1892
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 29 June 25 21:58 BST (UK) »
Hi mckha489,

I don’t like your tone in your message. Unless you have any substance to comments you should not make them.

Although the family had been split up after the death of their parents they always “kept in touch”. In fact we are still “in touch” a couple of generations later.

Arthur has always been spoken about. He was my grandfather’s twin brother.

The fact that my mother was mentioned in a Will is neither here nor there.

Yes there are family secrets in many families but Arthur was not a secret.

SNG

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Re: Arthur Crabtree born 12 October 1892
« Reply #33 on: Monday 30 June 25 06:11 BST (UK) »
Hi mckha489,

I don’t like your tone in your message. Unless you have any substance to comments you should not make them.

Although the family had been split up after the death of their parents they always “kept in touch”. In fact we are still “in touch” a couple of generations later.

Arthur has always been spoken about. He was my grandfather’s twin brother.

The fact that my mother was mentioned in a Will is neither here nor there.

Yes there are family secrets in many families but Arthur was not a secret.

SNG

I think you may have over reacted a tad SNG.

While your ancestor may not have been a secret, in my experience from being one of the descendants of families with 9 & 10 children, it is a fact that different members of the famiilies and their descendants may have different views/ideas/concepts, from being told different things over the years. Or they may interpreted them differently. 

In my family younger children such as my parents both were, and my cousins from their older siblings, have slightly different 'stories' or family lore.  Nothing to get upset about, certainly not a put up or shut up situation. 

Wills provide a great source of information and even being mentioned in a will often indicates a family closeness or expectation.  I know there was great indignation in my family, to this day, that wealthy London-based Great grandparents did not make provision for the widow of the son who emigrated to NZ and who had 9 children at his sudden death  with 4 being under 10 years. 

'The fact that my mother was mentioned in a Will is neither here nor there'.  This is very much part of the history as it was very easy NOT to leave $$$$ in a will and very expensive to challenge it.

Part of why we belong to Rootschat, and one of the most valuable I have found, is that others can look for, find and analyse info and have a different slant on things from us.   Is it only by being queried on stuff that may have been part of family lore that advances can be made.  I hasten to add that I don't discount family lore at all as it has been my experience that it usually contains a kernel of truth.

We often forget that the Victorian era ushered in a hush-hush world of societal propriety.  I'll not forget my mild shock to read on an early 1800s Presbyterian Irish ancestor's baptism that the vicar had written 'This child is a bastard'  And so he was.   I know I could have got all prickly about it but life is too short and these finds do help to show that our ancestors were people. 

So please don't get angry with people who may upset or challenge what you may have believed.  Only by reflecting on what they are saying can we move on to possibly open the door that may have been hinted at. 

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Re: Arthur Crabtree born 12 October 1892
« Reply #34 on: Monday 30 June 25 06:13 BST (UK) »

......

That has been my experience of family secrets anyway.

Mine too. Also different generations may have a different view of secrets or mysteries......