Help finding Great Great Grandparents

[skinlessdisc]

Hi All,

I have been studying my family history for a few years now but have hit a bit of a wall on my fathers side, maybe someone can help?

The information I need is for my great great grandfather and grandmother, I was unsure of there names up until now.

My great grandfather William White married Anna Eccles in St.Michan's church of Halston Street on 13th Aug 1922.
William Whites mother and father on the Marriage Certificate where Joseph and Mary White(her maiden name was also White)

My great grandfather died in 1963 at the age of 65 which would give an approx birth year of 1898. He had 2 brother Joseph(older) and David(Younger). I found a match on the 1901 census which seems to be correct and 1911 but the census records regarding mother and father are not helpful. In 1901 its mentions William @ age 3 which would be correct, Joseph @ age 6 and David wasn't born. Their is a head of house which seems to be the grandmother Catherine aged 53, 3 children (Mary @ age 23, Katie and Christy) and 2 grand children (William and Joseph), On the census as living in Chancery Street. No mention of Grandfather or Father and Mary is down as being not Married. 

In 1911 the head of house is Mary aged 65, with 3 sons Joseph aged 15, William aged 13 and David aged 8. On census as living in Henrietta Street. Again no mention of father.

I want to Clarify the mother and father's information from William's marriage cert by locating Williams birth cert and comparing information. Problem is I can't find a birth cert for William born 1898 +/- 1 year. I have tried St. Michans church, St. Mary Pro Cathedral and St. Josephs on Berkeley Road. I have also searched for the brothers, Joseph and David, birth certs but to no avail.

I have found out from talking to some of the older family members that Mary and Joseph where never married, Joseph was never really talked about growing up, a bit of a taboo subject. The rumour is that Joseph was Jewish or Polish and the Joseph and Mary had the same last name but spelt different. This family info is not fact and have yet to clarify

My best guess regarding the census is that Catherine in 1901 is pretending to be Mary in 1911, hence the age. This is probably trying to hide the possibility that Mary and Joseph never married.



Its the Great Great Grandfather Joseph and Great Great Grandmother Mary I am interested in but any information would be great, kind of pulling at straw now tbh.

Thanks in advance and I hope the above makes some sense.

Cheers,
Wil

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[myluck!]

Just to help visualise here are the links to the census pages
Family in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Inns_Quay/Chancery_Street/1278756/

and in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Inns_Quay/Henrietta_St_/33497/

[shanew147]

If William's age is accurate (i.e 1897-1899), and was born in the north city area then there's only one good match on the BMD Index .. might be worth trying a cert for this :
   
  Name: William White
  Registration district:   Dublin North
  Event type: Birth
  Quarter and year: Jan - Mar 1898
  Volume : 2 / Page: 507


Shane

[myluck!]

There is also a
Name: Joseph White
  Registration district:   Dublin North
  Event type: Birth
  Quarter and year: Apr-Jun 1895
  Volume : 2 / Page: 509

and

Name: David Gerrard White
  Registration district:   Dublin North
  Event type: Birth
  Quarter and year: Jan-Mar 1902
  Volume : 2 / Page: 434

[DudleyWinchurch]

If William's age is accurate (i.e 1897-1899), and was born in the north city area then there's only one good match on the BMD Index .. might be worth trying a cert for this :
   
  Name: William White
  Registration district:   Dublin North
  Event type: Birth
  Quarter and year: Jan - Mar 1898
  Volume : 2 / Page: 507


Shane

However there seems to be a William White, about the same age in our family too. He was baptised William Patrick White in January 1898 and would also be North City, I think.

[added: there were 3 William Whites, age 3 on the 1901]

[skinlessdisc]

If William's age is accurate (i.e 1897-1899), and was born in the north city area then there's only one good match on the BMD Index .. might be worth trying a cert for this :
   
  Name: William White
  Registration district:   Dublin North
  Event type: Birth
  Quarter and year: Jan - Mar 1898
  Volume : 2 / Page: 507


Shane

Sorry forgot to mention before that I have checked this record out but the parents are not Joseph or Mary.

If the record cannot be found, what does that mean?

I can't seem to find anything on any of the grandchildren.

I been at this for months nowbut no joy.

Thanks for the info never the less.

[DudleyWinchurch]

Sorry that it doesn't help with your problem, but can I just ask if he was the one from Granby Street?

There are also at least two "male" White births registered in the first half of 1898, and a "male" Whyte in the last quarter of 1897 that could be possible.

I hadn't considered purchasing that record as it would be for the younger brother of my grandmother's sister-in-law so not a direct relative at all, but had assumed that that index reference was most likely for him.

[obbie]

William White   
Date of registration
Jan-Feb-Mar 1898   
Registration district  Dublin North   
Volume  2    Page  507

William White   
Date of registration
Apr-May-Jun 1898   
Registration district Balrothery   
Volume:  2    Page  349

the dublin north birth is possibly
William White Birth1898 in Skerries, Dublin to charles and mary jane boylan
from a tree

im not sure what area Balrothery covers but someone here will im sure tell you

Joseph White   
Date of registration
Apr-May-Jun 1895   
Registration district  Dublin North       
Volume  2    Page  509

Joseph White   
Date of registration
Apr-May-Jun 1893   
Registration district  Dublin North       
Volume  2    Page  544

theres only 1 david
 
David Gerrard White   
Date of registration
Jan-Feb-Mar 1902   
Registration district Dublin North       
Volume  2    Page  434

id suggest sending off the above info to roscommon GRO
ask them to search for them for the parents you have
if not sure of parents  just order all five certs there 4 euros each as you have the birth details
goodluck in your research

[shanew147]

Balrothery registration district cover north county Dublin - e.g. the towns of Balbriggan, Swords, Donabate, Skerries, Lusk, Rush, Malahide and Naul



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