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My Great Grand-father was John James Trattles. John James Trattles married his first wife Harriet Clara Bradley 29/02/1876 at Stockton.His marriage certificate states: He was aged 29, a bachelor, his occupation a coachman. His father is listed as Thomas Trattles, a labourer.

John James and Harriet had a son Edward Wm in 1877 who died in infancy.
Then came Alfred in 1879, unfortunately Harriet died not long after on 12th Oct 1879.

Harriet and Edward Wm are buried in Oxbridge Cemetery with the headstone inscription: "Harriet Clara / beloved wife of / John J Trattles who died October / 12th 1879 Aged 26 years / ........ / Also of Edward William son of the / above who died May 5th 1877 / Aged 7 weeks / ...verse."

In 1881 census Harriet's sister, Fredericka Sophia Bradley, is in residence with the family at 15 Kirby St, Stockton, as a "Housekeeper", obviously to take care of her deceased eldest sisters infant, Alfred.
John James is showing as Jno. J. Trattles, 34 year old widow, born in Comdale, and a labourer in the Iron Works.

By 1891 Fredericka is classed as John James' wife and they have a child John James Trattles (my grandfather). It is believed that Fredericka and John James (I) did not marry as at the time it was illegal to marry your wifes sister.John James (1) is showing as John. J. Tratles, married, 45 years old, born in Steers and a Millwright Labourer, still at 15 Kirby St.

John James (1) died 15th Jun 1896 leaving Frederica with her nephew Alfred now 17 and her son John James Trattles (II) aged 6.John James (1) death certificate states he was named "John James Trattles", 44 years old, a Labourer at Ironworks and died at 392 Cannon St, Middlesbrough. His son, Alfred was the informant.

In the Middlesbrough Gazetter for 3 years 1887, 88 & 89 following his death there is a memorial notice stating: "In memory of John James Trattles, better known as James Harrison, late of 392 Cannon St Middlesbrough, who died on Jun 15th 1896, in life respected, in death lamented."

To summarise:John James Trattles AKA James Harrison,Born between 1845 - 1852 either in Steers (Staithes) or Comdale (Commondale)His father was Thomas...
Jones: Stockton, Durham,Maesmynis in Breconshire.
Laroche: Stockton on Tees; Liverpool; Quebec, Canada
Conick: Glamorgan
Trattles: NYorkshire
Jonathan: Caernarvonshire, Wales & Liverpool,
Briggs: Finghall & NYorks
Caygill: NYorks
Wright:Fylingdales
Binks: Finghall, NYorks
Brough: Staffordshire, Cheshire & Middlesbrough
Percival, Black, Tinning: Rockcliffe, Arthuret Cumberland
Bradley: Gilling & Barton, NYorks
Simpson, Bell, Latham: Liverpool, Lancashire

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Re: Longstanding Brickwall-Who is John James Trattles? Who is James Harrison?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 13 March 12 13:41 GMT (UK) »
sorry made a mistake with Mbro Gazeteer dates...should read 1897, 1898, 1899!!!
Jones: Stockton, Durham,Maesmynis in Breconshire.
Laroche: Stockton on Tees; Liverpool; Quebec, Canada
Conick: Glamorgan
Trattles: NYorkshire
Jonathan: Caernarvonshire, Wales & Liverpool,
Briggs: Finghall & NYorks
Caygill: NYorks
Wright:Fylingdales
Binks: Finghall, NYorks
Brough: Staffordshire, Cheshire & Middlesbrough
Percival, Black, Tinning: Rockcliffe, Arthuret Cumberland
Bradley: Gilling & Barton, NYorks
Simpson, Bell, Latham: Liverpool, Lancashire

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Re: Longstanding Brickwall-Who is John James Trattles? Who is James Harrison?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 13 March 12 15:30 GMT (UK) »
Duplicate post on DURHAM board-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,586945
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Longstanding Brickwall-Who is John James Trattles? Who is James Harrison?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 14 March 12 09:05 GMT (UK) »
With regards to 'Our John James' we feel we 'may' have the solution but would still love any evidence to back this up.  We are looking for any newspaper articles relating to a John James Trattles (aka James Harrison).  We have located memorial notices (image attached) but want to see if there is a death notice anywhere in Middlesbrough. (circa 1896)

Also any articles in Scarborough area (1861 - 71) regards to a John Trattles son of Thomas Trattles .  We believe John may have left Scarborough to go and stay with the Aunt and Uncle (Harrison) in Commondale / Danby for a period of time before moving to Stockton and then onto Middlesbrough.

Johns mother may have been Jane Trattles (nee Harrison) - but we cannot figure why he became known as James Harrison in his later years. ??? Had he been in trouble?  Did he fall out with the family? etc etc

Many Thanks in advance
Lynne & Julie
Sanderson: North Yorkshire (NYks) Kirkbymoorside, Lastingham
Trattles: Worldwide (one name study)
Lowther: NYks
Downie: NYks and Scotland (E'bro)
Briggs: NYks
Bradley: NYks
Percival: MIddlesrbough and Cumberland (Rockcliff)
Warriner: Kirkbymoorside


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Re: Longstanding Brickwall-Who is John James Trattles? Who is James Harrison?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 14 March 12 09:29 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Loony! I have redirected all posts from the Durham board to this one....xx
Jones: Stockton, Durham,Maesmynis in Breconshire.
Laroche: Stockton on Tees; Liverpool; Quebec, Canada
Conick: Glamorgan
Trattles: NYorkshire
Jonathan: Caernarvonshire, Wales & Liverpool,
Briggs: Finghall & NYorks
Caygill: NYorks
Wright:Fylingdales
Binks: Finghall, NYorks
Brough: Staffordshire, Cheshire & Middlesbrough
Percival, Black, Tinning: Rockcliffe, Arthuret Cumberland
Bradley: Gilling & Barton, NYorks
Simpson, Bell, Latham: Liverpool, Lancashire

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Re: Longstanding Brickwall-Who is John James Trattles? Who is James Harrison?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 14 March 12 16:29 GMT (UK) »
I have found a death notice in The North-Eastern Daily Gazette on Tuesday 16 June 1896: TRATTLES On the 15th inst., of 392 Cannon Street, John James Trattles (better known as James Harrison), late of Stockton. Will be interred on Wednesday the 17th cortege leaving at 2 p.m. Friends please accept this (the only) intimation.


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Re: Longstanding Brickwall-Who is John James Trattles? Who is James Harrison?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 14 March 12 16:31 GMT (UK) »
Hoping this appears at the right size...

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Re: Longstanding Brickwall-Who is John James Trattles? Who is James Harrison?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 14 March 12 16:39 GMT (UK) »
many thanks Tilly...much appreciated!!! I was sure there would be one especially if there was a memorial in 3yrs running!! Thanks. 

Wld it be possible for anyone to check to see if there is a newspaper entry for when John James marries Harriet Bradley in Stockton on 29 Feb 1876

or

notice of her Harriet Clara Trattles - death on 12th October 1879 Stockton....just wondering which name he would use John James Trattles or James Harrison!!

Jones: Stockton, Durham,Maesmynis in Breconshire.
Laroche: Stockton on Tees; Liverpool; Quebec, Canada
Conick: Glamorgan
Trattles: NYorkshire
Jonathan: Caernarvonshire, Wales & Liverpool,
Briggs: Finghall & NYorks
Caygill: NYorks
Wright:Fylingdales
Binks: Finghall, NYorks
Brough: Staffordshire, Cheshire & Middlesbrough
Percival, Black, Tinning: Rockcliffe, Arthuret Cumberland
Bradley: Gilling & Barton, NYorks
Simpson, Bell, Latham: Liverpool, Lancashire

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Re: Longstanding Brickwall-Who is John James Trattles? Who is James Harrison?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 14 March 12 16:51 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Tilly  ;D
Sanderson: North Yorkshire (NYks) Kirkbymoorside, Lastingham
Trattles: Worldwide (one name study)
Lowther: NYks
Downie: NYks and Scotland (E'bro)
Briggs: NYks
Bradley: NYks
Percival: MIddlesrbough and Cumberland (Rockcliff)
Warriner: Kirkbymoorside