Alfred CLUNEY b. London abt 1831, d. Sydney 1873

[wivenhoe]

possible?

828/1882  Elizabeth CLUNY m. Joseph H J W HILL  Sydney

2522/1883 birth Annie A HILL   parents Joseph H T W and Elizabeth      Sydney

4087/1902 death Elizabeth HILL parents John and Charlotte          Sydney


Children b. to John DALZELL and Charlotte include Elizabeth (1869), John, James, Robert and Thomas    BDM NSW


SMH 13 May 1882  marriage of Joseph H T W HILL, of Dartmouth, Devon,  and Elizabeth CLUNY of Sydney  at St Barnabas'

[eregli_gene]

Don't know how I missed that 1883 marriage,  I thought I checked through all the Clooney spelling variations for 30 years.    That is probably her.   Since she would have been well over 30 at the time of that second marriage,  I would not expect many children.   There do not seem to have been any children of her marriage to Alfred Cluney. ( no doubt someone will find one within ten minutes ).

There are births for Cluny(one) and Cluney(about 7) between 1868 and 1878  but none for Alfred and Elizabeth.   And curiously,  no Clooney births in NSW between 1868 and 1878 which I find hard to believe as that is by far the most common spelling.

Most of the other Dalzell's children in the 1870's would appear to be the children of her four brothers (  Alfred Cluney's brothers-in-law,   all named in the 1873 funeral announcement ).

""The friends of Messrs Thomas, John, James and Robert Dazell (sic)
are invited to attend the Funeral of their late deceased Brother-in-Law,
Mr Alfred Cluney, to move from his late residence, No. 711, George-street
This(Monday) Afternoon at quarter to 3 o'clock, for Necropolis
J and G Shying."

Their father was also called John.

I will order some transscriptions of their certificates,  to find out where they came from.   The one who drowned at Long Reef was a Shetland Islander.

[eregli_gene]

Another curiousity is that the 1873 apparent death registration for Alfred Cluney  has a very low index number which you would not normally expect to see for a death in December,    and it says his father's name was Richard.

He supposedly died on the 13th december yet a quite detailed death notice appears in the Herald of the same date and says his father's name was Francis.   I suppose with dodgy handwriting it is posisble to make Francis look like Richard,   or vice versa.

And then there are two more death notices in the same newspaper 9 and 10 weeks later -  for what purpose is not obvious.

[bribuck]

Hi, My husbands grandmother was Mary Jane Dalzell,sister of Elizabeth Dalzell married to Arthur Cluney.  We don't know anything re Aerthur & Elizabeth.  I have had question from Ancestry com asking if I know about Arthur in NZ, being tried and cleared of a murder charge.   Can you help with any information re this??
I found that Elizabeth remarried a Joseph Hill in1882 then she died in1902.

[michinyon]

It's kind of weird there would be a comment on this 18-month-old thread the day after I was looking at it.

Alfred was not really tried on a murder charge.  The suspicion that he was involved was rejected at the first hearing before a magistrate.  I don't think it was even what we would call now a committal hearing.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/60578148

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/60581367

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=ODT18640205.2.18&srpos=9&e=-------10--1----2alfred+cluney--

There are numerous other slightly different versions of this.

[kennett]

Brother Francis christened at St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney on 31 May 1829.  Father's occupation given as Excise officer.

No other obvious siblings nor on the census so far

I wonder as well if Francis Jnr went to Australia as well - there is a death on 21 June 1887 in Adelaide of a Francis Cluney, aged 59 which would take us back to him being born around 1828/29

There is apparently a Henry Cluney (c.1819-1881),   who's father was apparently a Francis Cluney,  and also had a son called Francis,   and also had a daughter called Harriet,   which is a name that Alfred Cluney(1826-1873) and Francis Cluney(1828-1887)  gave to their first daughters.   

I am suspecting that this Henry Cluney is a brother of Alfred and Francis,   and son of Francis who was married in 1815,  it would be surprising if he had no other children until 1826.

[cando]

There is apparently a Henry Cluney (c.1819-1881),   who's father was apparently a Francis Cluney,  and also had a son called Francis,   and also had a daughter called Harriet,   which is a name that Alfred Cluney(1826-1873) and Francis Cluney(1828-1887)  gave to their first daughters.   

I am suspecting that this Henry Cluney is a brother of Alfred and Francis,   and son of Francis who was married in 1815,  it would be surprising if he had no other children until 1826.

Sources, references?

Is there a  chatter with multiple usernames on this thread?

Cando

[majm]

I have just checked, and the Original Poster ( eregli_gene ) has not been online since
25 May 2012, 23:12:14

So I am confused by michinyon's post :

It's kind of weird there would be a comment on this 18-month-old thread the day after I was looking at it.

and by kennett's post commenting about Ruth's post....

And no one was on hand to welcome the newbie bribuck, who has only posted just the once, (the day after joining RChat,) but has been online even today ( Today at 15:28:14 ). 

Perhaps the Chatterbox forum is helping out with info for this request.  If not, then it does make me wonder if there's one person talking to one or more versions of themselves perhaps, and that in turn does confuse me.

I know that old saying about curiosity, but of course, my usual response in the real world is "but, satisfaction brought it back" and I am as curious as Alice (’Curiouser and curiouser!’ Cried Alice)

Cheers,  JM   

[kennett]

There is apparently a Henry Cluney (c.1819-1881),   who's father was apparently a Francis Cluney,  and also had a son called Francis,   and also had a daughter called Harriet,   which is a name that Alfred Cluney(1826-1873) and Francis Cluney(1828-1887)  gave to their first daughters.   

I am suspecting that this Henry Cluney is a brother of Alfred and Francis,   and son of Francis who was married in 1815,  it would be surprising if he had no other children until 1826.

My sister,  who ( surprise ! surprise ! ),  has similar research interests to me,   but goes about things in a different way,  is known to post on this forum.    Her activities depend very much on her workload.

Sources, references?

Is there a  chatter with multiple usernames on this thread?

Cando