help 12 years search can anyone help

[brendan]

please help if anyone can dad is now 87 he's been trying to find this for 12 years i don't know how to help him
his grandad william turner was born in st Helena in 1832
we know his father was samuel and mother elizabeth. i need to get her maiden name to go back . sam came back from st helena in 1836 with wife and 4 children. william elizabeth emma and samuel. birth certs out there do not give mothers maiden name. on the 1851 census there is a john aged 13 i cannot find his birth cert, i also cannot find the family on the 1841 census. if i could find this john i could get elizabeth and samuels marriage cert,
sam was born in deptford elizabeth in Ratcliffe.  sam and elizabeth sailed to st helena in 1826 with baby emma 10 mths old  please please can anyone help
you will make my dad so happy
thank you

[KGarrad]

Civil Registration, and birth certificates, came into being on 1st July 1837.

So I don't think you'll find birth or marriage certificates!

You say Elizabeth was born in Ratcliife - would that be Leicestershire?

[dawnsh]

Hi

What was Samuel's occupation and do you have the actual date of departure to St Helena?

Dawn

[keyboard86]

Hi I hope this is the family in 1851:-

Samuel Turner 49 occ General Dealer b Deptford
Elizabeth 53 b Ratcliffe? Middx
Samuel 19 b St Helena
William 17 b St Helena
John 13 b Shadwell
Census ref HO107/1552/874/22

Keyboard86

[dawnsh]

Ratcliffe is a subdistrict of Stepney along with
Shadwell & Wapping, Limehouse and Mile End Old Town

There's a possible marriage at St Dunstan Stepney

Samuel Turner & Elizabeth Arthur 7 Dec 1823

Dawn

[brendan]

thank you all for helping me, well dad actually. yes that is the family in 1851. without knowing her maiden name i do not know if that is there marriage cert. i kneed johns birth cert..

[brendan]

Elizth Arthur was christened in st paul deptford which was kent. yet my eliz gives her birth as ratcliff/stepney.

[Eyesee]

From India Office records, if you do not already have them.

http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/FullDisplay.aspx?RecordId=014-000275213

http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/FullDisplay.aspx?RecordId=014-000275307

http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/FullDisplay.aspx?RecordId=014-000274900

http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/FullDisplay.aspx?RecordId=014-000274908

Seems Samuel was in the Army. His records should be available somewhere, probably at the India Office in the British Library.

FreeBMD has a John Thomas TURNER birth, Dec qtr 1837, Stepney, 2 298. Have you checked this one out. Shadwell comes under the Stepney RD.

Ian C

[dawnsh]

Hi Ian

The links don't work 

Here's the link to the British Library search engine

http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/Advancediscovery.aspx

Dawn