John Jones - Chirk, Denbighshire

[irene33]

Hi Gnu,

Your comment about

Interesting -  from my Ruabon  records
Marriage - Dec 25 1848
William Moody, collier, and Elizabeth Jones. Both of Cefn mawr and 'of full age'
Parents - John Moody and Samuel Jones

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This I found interesting also...BUT.   If John Jones born 1844/5 is the son of Elizabeth why didn't he take the Moody name and why didn't he live with them.   I think it would be more likely that John Jones has another biological father and William Moody is just someone who married his mother  OR he is the product of another daughter of Samuel Jones.


I think first of all I need to find who the other children of Samuel and Mary Jones.

irene

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We won't know  but he lists William Moody as father on his marriage certificate, doesn't he.

A  thank you is always appreciated 

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There is a baptism in my Chirk records that might  be John:

May 17 1846 John s/o Elizabeth Jones, spinster of Pentre

Note that Samuel and Mary and grandson were living in Pentre in 1851

[irene33]

Hi Gnu,

Sorry, I apologise I do appreciate your efforts.  My only excuse is that you are so fast I am anxious to reply and to get the information off to you....unfortunately,  I forget my PQ's.

As for the following information you sent.
There is a baptism in my Chirk records that might  be John:
May 17 1846 John s/o Elizabeth Jones, spinster of Pentre
Note that Samuel and Mary and grandson were living in Pentre in 1851

Does that mean the Pentre birth etc. would be recorded in Chirk?

Thank you
irene

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My Chirk records again ~

Baptism
29 Sep 1822 Elizabeth  d/o Samuel (labourer)  and Mary Jones of Pentre


gnu

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Pentre was a township/settlement of Chirk parish - I don't want to repeat it     so see:

Hi Irene

Chirk (Y Waun in Welsh)  was a fairly large parish with it's main centre around the church. Shops,pubs and other services are concentrated on the main through road that was the old A5 coach road to Holyhead - called Church Street as it passes through the village. There are a number of settlements in addition to this area:

Black Park/Halton to the North East of the village - located close to the site of the previous Black Park Colliery

Rhosywaun to the North of the village - mainly a concentration of housing built in the ?1930s and further extended in the late 1940s-50s. The Wharf is adjacent to this settlement but was there earlier.

Chirk Green - primarily a community based on the old rows of miners cottage - now knocked down and redeveloped

Pentre - a settlement to the North of Black Park

The Forge/Pontyblew to the East  - more an area of scattered houses close to the old forge than a settlement itself

Bronywaun/Church View -mainly a post WW2 housing development adjacent to the 'village' but extending for about a mile to the east.

Over the last 30 years more and more private  housing (Maesywaun, Lodge Vale, etc.)  has been built on the remaining land between these settlements so that only the outlying areas of Pentre, Black Park and the Forge/Pontyblew are distinct.

Other scattered housing and farms are located in the outlying areas.

There are two large 'family seats' - Chirk Castle, the home of the Myddleton family and Brynkinallt, the home of the Trevors.


Have a look at these two links:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Chirk/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirk

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Samuel and Mary in 1841 - same area: 

HO107/1399/4/12/9

William, is with them but no sign of Elizabeth - she was probably working elsewhere and very difficult to find an Elizabeth Jones of 15+ in that area on the 1841 

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My Chirk records yet again ~

Baptism
5 Oct 1828 William  s/o Samuel (labourer)  and Mary Jones of Pentre

It's getting late so I'll have a look through the marriages tomorrow to see if I can see anything.

[irene33]

Hi Gnu,

Thank you very much.   

much appreciated.

irene

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Only one marriage showing in Chirk in  the 1813-1837 period. They are both showing as being b. Chirk so this would be the most likely. Other parish that they might have married would be Llangollen, Ruabon or St Martins - all close by. I've had a quick look but don't see anything in Ruabon or Llangollen. St Martins' marriages are on the IGI - Batch no M085801  Jones is not  an easy surname to track down   

Chirk Marriage by licence
2 Sept 1819 Samuel Jones (widr) and Mary Davies (sp, with con of par) .

Mary was under 21 when she married, so would be no older than her early 40s in 1841. She is noted as 45 (45 to 49 with rounding)  on the census. There might be something in the marriage bonds at the National Library that gives more info on this -  http://isys.llgc.org.uk/   Select  Marriage Bonds, enter one of the names. When the file names come up, select  the St Asaph diocese ones.



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