John Jones - Chirk, Denbighshire

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My records show that John Jones's father was William Moody - ties in with the Ifton families. Coed yr allt is very near the Forge, Chirk, if I recall correctly.

Will have another mosey around.

The Moodys were an Ifton, St Martins/Chirk family


gnu

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The Moodys who were next door in 1871:

Coed yr allt, Ifton Rhyn, St Martins
RG10/2784/74/1
Elizabeth Moody, wid, 82, b. St Martins
Frederick, son, widr, 41, coal miner, b. -do-
Frederick, grdson, unm, 18, -do-, b. Chirk
Samuel Moody, grdson, 12, -do-, -do-


gnu

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The Moodys  in 1841:

Coed yr allt, Ifton Rhyn, St Martins
HO107/916/3/32/10
John Moody, 45, coal miner
Elizabeth , 50
John, 20, coal miner
Mary, 20
William, 18, coal miner
Frederic, 12
/
Richard Jones, 20, ag lab
//

All born county


gnu

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This is  the William Moody from the 1841:

1861
Halton, Chirk (Halton is on the Pentre side of Chirk)
RG9/1880/98/11
William Moody, 37, coal miner, b. St Martins
Elizabeth, w, 38, b. Chirk  - forgot to put her age in when I first posted
Mary, d, 10, b. St Martins
William, s, 8, b. Chirk
Frederick, s, 6, b. St Martins
Samuel, s, 1, b. Chirk

These last two were with the Coed yr allt family in 1871


Will check my Chirk records for this family  but nothing showing for a John Jones bpt circa 1844.


gnu

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1851

Glynmorlas, St Martins
HO107/1993/718/11
William Moody. 27, coal labourer, b. St Martins
Elizabeth, w, 25, b. Chirk
Margaret, d, 2, b. -do-
Mary, d, 5 mths, b. St Martins
George Wallis, lodger, 15, coal labourer, b. Brentford. Essex


Interesting -  from my Ruabon  records
Marriage - Dec 25 1848
William Moody, collier, and Elizabeth Jones. Both of Cefn mawr and 'of full age'
Parents - John Moody and Samuel Jones

gnu

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Just checked your 1851 ref - it's not Knockin it's Pentre, Chirk. I think, maybe, you were looking at a few families and mixed up the refs. Here it is:

Pentre, Chirk
HO107/1993/789/6
Samuel Jones, 69, coal miners labourer
Mary, wife, 66, labourers wife
William, son, unm, forgeman (pudler)
John Jones, grdson, 5

All born Chirk

So it looks as if the Elizabeth Jones who married William Moody was the daughter of Samuel and Mary Jones and the likely mother of John Jones.


gnu

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Not sure if you've got this but it fits with Catherine/Kate's death and the ages seem correct. John sees to have re-married.  Birthplaces for the sons are wrong but this happens!

1891
RG12/4072/19/32
719 Tottenham, Coundon, Auckland, Co. Durham
John Jones, 45, coal miner, b. Chirk
Mary, w, 38, b. Wales
John Ed, s, unm, 18, b. Lancashire
Samuel, s, 14, b. Lancashire
William, s, 8, b. Co. Durham
Nicholson, s, 1, b. Co. Durham

Next door (717 and 718) are Phillips and Moody families, b. Chirk and North Wales


gnu

[irene33]

Hi Gnu,
I see you have been very busy.  Yes you are correct on all you searches, I have found the same.  Except maybe

The Moodys who were next door in 1871:

Coed yr allt, Ifton Rhyn, St Martins
RG10/2784/74/1
Elizabeth Moody, wid, 82, b. St Martins
Frederick, son, widr, 41, coal miner, b. -do-
Frederick, grdson, unm, 18, -do-, b. Chirk
Samuel Moody, grdson, 12, -do-, -do
I think Frederick (grandson) is Frederick (widower's son).   Samuel is probably William Moody's son because by 1871 William and his new wife (Martha) are in Ince Lancs.  RG10/3892/70/16

irene

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This is  the William Moody from the 1841:

1861
Halton, Chirk (Halton is on the Pentre side of Chirk)
RG9/1880/98/11
William Moody, 37, coal miner, b. St Martins
Elizabeth, w, 38, b. Chirk  - forgot to put her age in when I first posted
Mary, d, 10, b. St Martins
William, s, 8, b. Chirk
Frederick, s, 6, b. St Martins
Samuel, s, 1, b. Chirk

These last two were with the Coed yr allt family in 1871


gnu

Think you might have missed these.  Ok - Frederick had a Frederick aged 8 in 1861 so that's his. My Frederick was son of a Richard s - so another Moody Frederick