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Re: Scotland Gate
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 04 March 12 18:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi Janis!

We meet again on Rootschat!  You are so generous about helping everyone. 

I did a quick look at Family Search and on the Choppington BTs for the baptisms of my grandmother and her siblings, and found nothing, so I would be most grateful if you could check any Methodist records for the Choppington/Scotland Gate/Guide Post/ Sheepwash Bank area.  Earlier generations of the Morpeth family lived in the East Allen valley where John Wesley was very influential.

The names I am interested in are:

William Morpeth, born April 1867 at Guide Post, died 1870 at Scotland Gate
Eleanor Stephenson Morpeth, born March 1869 at Scotland Gate
John Morpeth (a cousin), born June 1871 at Scotland Gate
Mary Annie Morpeth, born March 1872 at Scotland Gate
Robert Morpeth, born January 1873 at Sheepwash Bank
Emma Morpeth, born January 1875 at Sheepwash Bank
William Morpeth, born November 1876 at Sheepwash Bank

Hope this searching is not too tedious for you!

Best regards,

Hazel

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Re: Scotland Gate
« Reply #19 on: Monday 05 March 12 10:35 GMT (UK) »

 Philip,


 I think Bedlington village/township/parish ( sometime referred to as Bedlingtonshire) including its satellites, is not included in the volumes of History of Northumberland was because it was not part of county of Northumberland, but one of three exclaves that lay within the bounds of Northumberland, but " belonged" to County Durham. 

 These exclaves, Bedlingtonshire, Islandshire and Norhamshire, were collectively referred to as North Durham.  For the 1841 census the Bedlington area census was enumerated as within County Durham. But in 1844 Parliament  " gave" these three exclaves to the county of Northumberland. ( Parliament did similar changes throughout England's counties)

 Western bits of Choppington once lay within the neighbouring Parish of Stannington.
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 Hazel,

This link should get you to maps of the area
http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/Bedlington_C15.htm

This is from the "Plans" section of the Bedlington community of Northumberland Communities
web site.

As Choppington lay to the north of Bedlington parish, some of the maps did not cover north enough.

However the southen parts of Morpeth's maps do include Sheepwash, Guide Post and
Choppington area

http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/Morpeth_C15.htm

Ditto for Ashington community.
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 Trivia angle, notice on the 1828 map how Ashington is marked far away from where Ashington
is today. Fell em Doon is where modern day Ashington took root !

 Michael

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Re: Scotland Gate
« Reply #20 on: Monday 05 March 12 19:36 GMT (UK) »
Morpeth Wesleyan Methodist Circuit:

Robert Morpeth born 15 Jan 1873 Guide Post, baptised 19 Feb 1873 s/o Edward and Margaret Morpeth

Mary Morpeth born 3 Aug 1873 Guide Post, baptised 17 Sep 1873 d/o Thomas and Elizabeth Wright Morpeth

William Morpeth born 26 Nov 1876 Sheepwash Bank, baptised 22 Dec 1876 s/o Edward and Margaret

That's all the Morpeth's I could find 1839-1884. 

Janis
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Re: Scotland Gate
« Reply #21 on: Monday 05 March 12 21:16 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Janis and Michael!

Janis:  That's great, it confims for me what had hitherto been only family lore, i.e. that my father's family were Methodists.  Robert and William Morpeth were my great uncles and Mary Morpeth was a first cousin of my grandmother, Thomas being her uncle and Elizabeth Wright her aunt by marriage.

They were all coalminers who moved around the pits of Northumbeland and Durham, eventually settling at Pelton Fell in Co. Durham.

Very many thanks for looking this up for me.

Michael:

Thank you for giving me the links to the right places on the Northumberland Communities website.  The reason I had not found the Old Maps is that I was looking for Choppington and Scotland Gate, not Bedlington and Morpeth.  But you have now drawn my attention to maps of various parts of Northumberland, which I can browse at will in connection with my family history.  Being something of a map freak, I am most grateful.

Warmest regards to you both,

Hazel.


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Re: Scotland Gate
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 06 March 12 00:04 GMT (UK) »


 Hazel,

 In the mid 1870s, A Newcastle newspaper, The Newcastle Weekly Chronicle, published a series
of articles of life, industry, housing, education, worship, etc on mining communities in Northumberland and Durham,
entitled " OUR COLLIERY VILLAGES".

The 26th article, published on 12 April 1873 was " CHOPPINGTON". It filled 4 newspaper columns.

 Below are a few( I am a poor typist) snippets, mainly on Scotland Gate....

 " As we leave the station (Choppington railway station) we are flanked on either side by two
most respectable looking hostelries and a number of tenemented brick houses, which at first we imagine to be Choppington.The station master however informs ud that Choppington is not a
single village, one and indivisible, but rather a whole colony of villages. You come first upon Choppington Station, then you reach Scotland Gate, then comes the Guide Post, while away
to the northward you have Choppington Colliery and New Choppington Colliery."


 Then Guide Post is described, then.....

 " Leaving the Guide Post a walk of half a mile along a very muddy road brings us to Scotland
 Gate, which is as it were, the capital of Choppington, more on account of its central position,
than for its size or for any other virtue which it may possess.

 Scotland Gate may be described as consisting of one broad street about three or four hundred yards in length, the houses at each side being respectable looking brick houses, two storeys high
, the property of various individuals. Many of these houses are tenemented with a family residing
 in every room, and where this state of things exist, there is a lamentable want of exterior accommodation. The west side of the street is much the worst in this respect, and it may be as well to observe that the east side is much the most respectable side of the street, the houses having newer and fitted up with more regard to the requirements of decency and comfort.

In one case at the west side, only four privies are provided for the use of twenty families, and these privies with their attendant ash pits, are situated at such a short distance from the doors
of the houses, that in summer the stench from them must be well nigh insufferable"

  " Nor are these the only nuisances to which Scotland Gate must submit, for almost at their very doors , they are stormed at by fire and smoke from to different sources
( a burning pit heap and a brick factory)

 And lots more on schooling and worship..  then finale...

" We turn our face homeward, thanking heaven that we have a Town Councils in our large towns which though sometimes neglecting their duty, never permit the public health to be endangered
 by such sanitary abuses that disgrace Choppington"

Michael
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GALLAGHER ( + variations).
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Ontario, CANADA
Lowell, Ma, USA
Counties of Northumberland & Durham, ENGLAND
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MALEY/MELIA/MALLEY  - with or without " O "
Westport Co Mayo. Northumberland
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DIXON
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle, ENGLAND

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Re: Scotland Gate
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 06 March 12 11:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi Michael!

Thank you very much for copying out parts of the article.  It certainly tells us what "Greater  Choppington" (!) was like, and explains very well how the different parts of the community fit together.  I have rellies born in Choppington, Scotland Gate, Guide Post and Sheepwash Bank, and the description helps me to know how they moved around.  It seems like Scotland Gate was the "downtown" bit of Choppington!  It is also interesting to learn of the living conditions.

I have sent you a PM.

Cheers,  Hazel.

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« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 06 March 12 15:24 GMT (UK) »
Michael,

Didn't one of the buses to Ashington take us through Choppington, Scotland Gate and Guide Post?  One of my cousin's live nearly across the street from St. Paul's but I don't know if it is technically Guide Post or Scotland Gate.

Janis
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Re: Scotland Gate
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 06 March 12 15:33 GMT (UK) »
The Morpeth Wesleyan Circuit probably had 3 to 5 church sites that the minister visited but I think the baptismal records combined all of them.  I am not 100% certain but I think there are pages missing from the register written as "deliberately taken".  There may have been other children baptised there.  I just cannot remember if it was the Methodist register or Choppington St. Paul

Glad to have been of some help.

Janis
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Northumberland:  Grey/Gray, Richardson, Barnfather, Heron, Redpath
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Re: Scotland Gate
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 06 March 12 16:52 GMT (UK) »
Yes, Janis, I think that probably the other Morpeth children were baptized as Methodists at one or other of the chapels in the Morpeth area, but I have their dates of birth, so am just happy to have it confirmed that the family was Methodist.

Many thanks,

Hazel