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Re: Thomas Brown, Can't find his death..please help
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 03 March 12 15:27 GMT (UK) »
I have a copy of Annie Gee Brown's Probate but must admit I don't understand what most of it means. There are 2 other men mentioned in the Probate, William Shaw, who at the time was in business with Thomas with a printing and publishing company. The other man William Mason is a complete mystery. I can find no other reference to him in any other family document.
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Re: Thomas Brown, Can't find his death..please help
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 03 March 12 22:31 GMT (UK) »
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Just had a look at Annie Gee's death certificate and it doesn't tell us if Thomas is living or not, though it does not say deceased.
Cando can you have a look at it and make out the place of burial please. It looks like Necropolis Mount Kuirela? to me but I don't know my cemeteries very well.
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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 03 March 12 23:03 GMT (UK) »
Hope you dont mind me answering, I think she was buried at Rookwood, which is often discribed as the Necropolis, and the Undertaker is Kinsela.

I had a look at the Anglican Rookwood on line search and there is an Annie G Brown date of Internment 1 Jan 1881

BROWN ANNIE G  01-01-1881
Area AN  Section  F  Row   N/A Grave No. 0001230

I look on the Rookwood disk and there does not seem to be a record of a headstone.

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Re: Thomas Brown, Can't find his death..please help
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 03 March 12 23:08 GMT (UK) »
Thanks,
As I said, I don't know cemeteries very well and I was hoping someone might be able to find details of the grave.
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Re: Thomas Brown, Can't find his death..please help
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 03 March 12 23:21 GMT (UK) »
I had another try and found the record of the grave number and have updated my post, I thought that maybe Thomas may be buried with her, and had a look on the Anglican site, there are 71 Thomas Browns, maybe an email to the Anglican Rookwood office to ask if there is anybody buried with Annie might find him

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Re: Thomas Brown, Can't find his death..please help
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 03 March 12 23:38 GMT (UK) »
There are a few odd dates here.

Date of death 31st Nov 1881
Date last seen by Doctor 30 Dec 1881
Date of Burial 01-01-1881??

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Re: Thomas Brown, Can't find his death..please help
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 03 March 12 23:59 GMT (UK) »
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The fact that Annie paid probate may indicate that she was in partnership at the time with William Shaw not Thomas, very rare that a woman paid probate, unless she had a means of earning a living.  What happened to her son, was he working in the family firm  ?

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Re: Thomas Brown, Can't find his death..please help
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 04 March 12 00:22 GMT (UK) »
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The fact that Annie paid probate may indicate that she was in partnership at the time with William Shaw not Thomas, very rare that a woman paid probate, unless she had a means of earning a living.  What happened to her son, was he working in the family firm  ?

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I notice that the NSW SRO's index for Deceased Estates has:

BROWN, AG with a d o d of 21 Dec 1881, and with duty paid 27 Feb 1882, and then under the remarks column it reads "No File.  File now at ........ entry lists name as Annie Gee." 

This suggests to me that the amount of duty paid (if any) on 27 Feb 1882 in respect of Annie's deceased estate has been taken into account when another (connected) estate was probated at some time after 27 Feb 1882....  Some times those files can be very difficult to read, but....  I think you would need to look at the File "Z00835" at the NSW SR (Reel 20/6977) to determine what (if any) of Annie's estate was subject to that probate.    It could well be a private inheritance that was trusted to Annie for her lifetime, on condition it was passed on to her descendants, but that is simply speculations by me, without knowing much at all about that particular Mrs Brown. It could also, as Muss has suggested, be part of a commercial partnership.  Yes, it was very rare for a female's Deceased Estate to need to be assessed for Duties. 

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Re: Thomas Brown, Can't find his death..please help
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 04 March 12 00:26 GMT (UK) »
There are a few odd dates here.

Date of death 31st Nov 1881
Date last seen by Doctor 30 Dec 1881
Date of Burial 01-01-1881??

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Yes, absolutely odd and umm .... impossible for that d o d at least !  ..... Could it be 21 December 1881 for the d o d .... (see my post re NSW SRO Deceased Estate Files)

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=15    (I hope this link works, )

Cheers,  JM
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