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Re: Minnie Todd from Ashington England to Aukland New Zealand
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 01 March 12 23:00 GMT (UK) »
Me neither.  I have just checked the birthplace for the 1902 Minnie Todd on the free 1911 index on GRU and it's Byker Newcastle
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Re: Minnie Todd from Ashington England to Aukland New Zealand
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 01 March 12 23:09 GMT (UK) »
There was a Charlotte TODD age 20, and a Sarah TODD age 18, on the Ionic, which left London on 18 July 1913, for New Zealand. They were both domestics, but nothing to say where they were from.

Ages fit with Minnie's older sisters though.

Ian C

Mmmm ... and possible NZ marriages (to a set of brothers) for "a Charlotte and Sarah TODD".   ???    Still working on discovering if these are possibilities ?

  ~  Lu

Aah  ... it took a while, but managed to follow up on the "Charlotte and Sarah TODD" who married the COOPER brothers of Otago.

[Have also just now found more supporting "evidence" that they were the daughters of a Margaret TODD.   Will add this in a following post. ]

NZ Marriages

Charlotte TODD - Donald Begg Miller COOPER* -- 1915
[Some records give name as "Donald Miller Begg COOPER" ]


Sarah TODD - Andrew Winnie [sic] COOPER  -- 1916

[Although birth and marriage records show "Winnie" - the correct spelling appears to have been "Winnick".    Andrew Winnick COOPER (husband of Sarah, died WW1 - 1918, France]

The COOPER boys (Donald  b 1885) and Andrew (b. 1893) were the sons of John and Mary COOPER (at one time of Bannockburn, Otago).

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Re: Minnie Todd from Ashington England to Aukland New Zealand
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 01 March 12 23:23 GMT (UK) »
Lucy thanks for trying to help me  :)


From what I can make out two Minnie Todds came up in relation to Ashington in England around 1904: my presumed date based on my mother's birth certificate and earlier this evening on their departure from New Zealand.


Another Minnie Todd was seemingly born in the same area around the same time. I'm wondering if this could have been her?


Before I (we) can go any further, such as who emigrated to New Zealand, I have to establish which one she may be.


There is no mention of who my grandmother's parents were on the birth certificate.


It mentions my mother's parents names (Samuel George Paterson and Minnie Todd); his profession (Stoker, Royal Navy); their ages (both 25); when they married (17th May 1929); where married (Aukland, NZ) and where my mother was born (St Helens Hospital, Aukland). It also shows where they resided at that time (22 Day Street, Newton NZ). The birth was registered on  the 25th October 1929 by an F. Evans.


It shows that my grandfather was born in Glasgow, Scotland and that my grandmother was born in Ashington, England.


Just looking again and see under 'Parents (3) previous issue of existing marriage (3b) dead - Number each Sex  - M - F'. I don't know what this relates to? Did they have two children who died previously?


Can anyone help here?


Thanks for helping me and I REALLY hope you continue to do so. I never knew my father at all (who he is) and don't expect ever to find him. However I do know who my mother is and hope to make sense of her life: my maternal line.


My mother NEVER spoke about her childhood as it was utterly hellish to say the least from other accounts. She was plucked / ostracised from a very large seemingly loving family at a very early age (5). Her identity was changed when she was 5 years old and she never knew who she was (who her mother was, name and where she was born) until she decided to get married and needed a birth certificate.


Regards.


Patty


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Re: Minnie Todd from Ashington England to Aukland New Zealand
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 01 March 12 23:29 GMT (UK) »
Information for Charlotte (TODD) and her husband Donald Miller Begg COOPER was relatively easy to find :

- he is shown on WW1 reserves list (1916-17) as a coal miner living at Bannockburn.

- on early electoral rolls he is listed simply as "Donald".

-  in their later years, the couple were residing at Cromwell (Otago).

Archives New Zealand (Dunedin office) holds probate records for both.




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Re: Minnie Todd from Ashington England to Aukland New Zealand
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 01 March 12 23:38 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks Lucy  :)


Living in Bannockburn, Scotland at that time or in New Zealand?

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Re: Minnie Todd from Ashington England to Aukland New Zealand
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 01 March 12 23:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi Patty

[  ... have in the meantime interrupted posting re: Charlotte & Sarah TODD, so that I could read your incoming message. ]   :)

Thanks for the additional information.

Back in an earlier reply though, you have said that you have a copy of the 1929 marriage certificate.


I've got the Marriage Certificate that shows she married Samuel George Paterson in 1929 in Aukland NZ. She has stated that she was 25 at that time as was her husband.



It's from this m / cert. that we need information please.  
[Does it show the names of her parents ? ]

   ~  Lu

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Re: Minnie Todd from Ashington England to Aukland New Zealand
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 01 March 12 23:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Patty

In your opening post you say that Minnie Todd was born in Ashington.  Ashington came under the Morpeth Registration districts for Births so the 1904 birth and the 1911 entry for Morpeth must be the right Minnie

I think it is just confusing the issue by looking for the Minnie born 1902 as she was not born in Ashington

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/morpeth.html

As Lucy has asked - does the 1929 marriage cert show the names of Minnie's parents?
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Re: Minnie Todd from Ashington England to Aukland New Zealand
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 01 March 12 23:54 GMT (UK) »
The Bannockburn reference is for New Zealand.   ;)

[Bannockburn, Otago, NZ.    Lots of Scots emigrated to NZ, particularly to the Otago Province (South Island), hence many place names in that locality are derived from places in Scotland.]

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Re: Minnie Todd from Ashington England to Aukland New Zealand
« Reply #26 on: Friday 02 March 12 00:36 GMT (UK) »
Just continuing with the Sarah TODD who married Andrew Winnie (Winnick) COOPER -- 1916 in NZ.

Sadly this Andrew lost his life in WW1 (and is buried in France).   His attestation form showed he was the husband of Mrs S. COOPER, c/- Post Office, Bannockburn, Otago NZ.

Sarah COOPER, widow, appears on an electoral roll at Bannockburn, Otago in 1919 ... and at same location are >
Charlotte and Donald COOPER (miner) and John and Mary COOPER (presumably the parents of Donald and Andrew).

It seemed probable that a rather young widow would re-marry ?   After a lot of hunting through electoral rolls and other records, I determined that a 1920 marriage of a Sarah COOPER to a Henry Charles CAMERON was the most "logical".

Henry Charles CAMERON - (bc 1892) died in Dunedin (NZ) in 1936 and was buried at the Anderson's Bay Cemetery.   The address - 81 Harrow Street, Dunedin, given on his cemetery record -  is where his widow Sarah was still residing in 1938 (after which time I have not been able to positively locate her).

81 Harrow Street, Dunedin, has a lot more significance however (as I've just learned in finding a "tree" for the family of Donald Miller Begg COOPER). 
 
A Margaret TODD - died Dunedin - aged 71 years (bc 1866) a widow born England, buried at Anderson's Bay, also shared this address !

The tree (@ Ancestry) confirms she (Margaret TODD) is the mother of Charlotte and Sarah (aka Sadie) COOPER (both nee TODD)  ... and all were born Northumberland.

  ~ Lu