smith/booth gypsies nottingham

[nottsgirl1]

Hi to you both,

Its no trouble at all, I'm happy to  continue with the Plumbs.

I've had a look at the newspapers site for the John Plumb Jane mentioned not showing up on the Nottingham site but on the British newspaper site (the one you have to pay for) that has the Nottingham assizes report in the Northampton Mercury.  I'll see what I can find on him at the archives.

Kaziah,

First Ann Cook was Nathan's second wife, and from what you are saying she left him sometime between 1841 when she was on the census with him and 1847 when Lucy Ann was born.  I'll see what I can find but it might be case of you buying the marriage certificate for Lucy Ann and Edwin.

Nottsgirl1

[nottsgirl1]

Just found a christening for Lucy Ann Mason on 24 Dec 1845 at St Marys Southwell daughter of John and Ann Mason of Westgate Southwell John was a painter.

[swampinstein]

This is the only thing I can find on Edwin Booth so far

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M78G-FDQ

[kaziah]

Hi,

Many thanks for that,

Fybromyalgia is nasty too - again unpredictable from day to day.  I've had to come off my meds, so in a limbo at the moment.

I have seen that Edwin appears to have ended up in the workhouse in Sheffield poor man.  Going to have a scout about for him.

Kazi

[kaziah]

Hi Both of you,

I've been looking over the info gathered here... 

The Plumb children of
William Plumb bn bn 1766 and his 2 wives Mary Lane bn 1766 & Ann Selby bn 1772
Don't appear to be living the gypsy way of life...

Except Nathan Plumb bn 1799 whos children with Ann Cook bn 1806
Samuel Plumb 1839
Violetta Plumb 1833
Henry Plumb 1829
George Plumb 1826
Dedemia Plumb 1825
Everett Plumb 1833

Who lead a gypsy life or/and married gypsies...

So has the Gypsy life come from Nathan Plumb OR Ann Cook??  Do we know anything about Ann Cook's family - she certainly had the gypsy swapping of partners/names - so I'm thinking it was from her line...

Or have I missed something???

Kazi

[swampinstein]

I have no idea where it started
All I started with was remembering my late father telling me when I was young that we came from Romany gypsies...I started my family tree after my father had died so was not able to ask anything....My mother who is still alive said she thought it wasn't true...I started to believe it wasn't true until last year I came in contact with a cousin, who's mum was my dad's cousin and she was also searching the Elks line......I never mentioned a gypsy connection. I just said I was having trouble finding the Elks and she said.....Maybe that is because of the gypsy roots.. .......I thought then... my father was right after all.....My cousin's mum is still alive and she says she always believed we came from gypsies and that she remembers her auntie looked like a gypsy with how she had her hair and the way she dressed....She always believed that Frederick Elks was the first to live in a house.
I carried on looking for Elks and gysies and could find nothing, until I came here and found Joseph Elks and Sarah Plumb.....I was always looking in London because I knew that is where Frederick was born, when in fact all these years I should have been looking in Nottingham

[swampinstein]

When my father was young his mum(frederick's daughter) used to cook sparrow pie and my dad used to tell me how to cook Baked hedgehog ....I never did cook one....pmsl!!!
He also used to go into the local woods near where we lived and pick wild mushrooms....he knew which was poisonious and which wasn't....he made nettle tea, could skin rabbits, pluck pheasants etc
  Who taught him all that???....his mum??? Frederick his grandad?

They're the sort of things gypsies ate, especially baked hedgehog



This is why I want to find more on Joseph Elks and Sarah...did they live a gypsy life?..was joseph a gypsy or was just Sarah's side of the family.

[kaziah]

well - if it looks like fish and smell like fish - it must be fish!!!

I think the information is out there - we just need to find it.

The gypsy connection is in my sons family history - he's 13 - his Gt Grandmother was the first in that family line to live in a house...  We have a photo of her, and she looks like a gypsy - very dark and striking looks, very small like a little bird.

But like yourself - lots of traditions have been passed down through the family - just ways of doing things.  swapping of names, not marrying - ages all mixed up.

If we keep chipping away, we'll find what we're looking for...

Kazi

[swampinstein]

Frederick was married to Louisa Moore and her father Peter came from Ashill Norfolk. My cousin said she went to Ashill Norfolk last year and spoke to an historian and he told her that the Moores seemed to pop in and out of Ashill for the crop seasons......That is another thing gypsies did....they travelled to farms for the crop seasons.....So where the Moores gypsies too???


And if that isn't confusing enough, I happened to find an Highwayman Plumb who was sent to Tasmania who absconded, got inwith a well known bandit and got himself shot