Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall

[Arthur29]

Hi All,
I don't know if this is of any help to any one on this thread.
While checking for the 1st marriage of the elusive Archibald i came across the following.

Anne Renton B26 Dec 1709, Christening 22 Jan 1710 at Saint Peters, Leeds, York.

Also:18 Sept 1741, Marriage of Archibald Rammage to Anne Renton No location given.

Also19 Sept 1741 Marriage of Archibald Rammage to Anne Benton at Saint Peters
, Leeds, York. The 1st "Marriage" could be the issue of the licence for the next day?

Can anyone let me know what you think.

Also confirms that Archie was born in 715 as age on documents us shown as 26 yrs, This Also means that there could be a prior marriage of our Archie due to his age.

Is this of any help or is it muddying the waters of the elusive Archie?

[coombs]

Hi

Thanks for your reply. 26 is not a late age to marry. I have ancestors who were 30 odd before they married for the first time. In 1757 Archibald says he was 39 so born about 1718. So he was born about 1715-1718.

Ben

[Darlingtonian]

Hello Arthur29,

Your input most welcome ... as a few have said before, there must have been a previous marriage as he married Smithson as a widower...  do you all think we can safely say that he married Anne Benton in Leeds?
I suppose it's now to look for a death of Anne (Benton) Rammage as there might have been previous children ..... or has that already been noted?  this thread is that long I can't remember what's already been found.....lol

 
Durham Record Office

Marriage Bonds, Durham Diocese
Record Number: 397893.1
Religion: Anglican
13 Oct 1757 Archibald Ramage (widower, gentleman), age 39, of Chester-le-Street obtained a licence to marry Smithson Peverell, age 32, of Chester-le-Street
Surety: Joseph Tiffin, of Chester-le-Street
[Note: married 15 Oct at Chester-le-Street]

Jean
 

[Arthur29]

Hello Again, Thank you for the replies,
Yes Darlingtonian
                           Ido think we can safely say that elusive Archie did mary for the first time in Leeds,  i am now looking for confirmation of Anne s maiden name & it appears to be at the moment i can find records of the name Anne  Renton but none in the name of Benton could this be a typing error or transcription error? The England Birth & Christenings does have a Anne Renton B26 Dec 1709, Christening 26 Jan 1710 at St peters, Leeds.

I dont know now if it would be worth while trying to get copies of both of Archies wedding certificates? Also looking for death cert & record of Anne Ramage( nee Renton).

Any help would be most welcome.

[coombs]

We still dont know when or where Archibald Ramage died.

As said I am sure he was from Scotland originally.

[Arthur29]

Thanks again for the replies,

Yes coombs i do think Archie may well of been born in scotland as has been said before both his names are of scotish decent.
Re his death, i think that will be a mystery to us for a while yet.

I do believe that his first wife was Ann RENTON not Benton as i have other records od her father being John Renton. & also the name Benton has yet to trrow any substantial information but Renton does produce some good information in keeping with the information that links with Archibald, Dates, Locations etc

Arthur

[suberra]

It's been a while since I looked at all this. I think Ann Benton/Renton/Rammage was buried  October 31st 1756 at St Johns in Leeds although the register also includes Leeds St Peter. Found the record on Ancestry .com. It just states wife of Archibald Ramage. Since he married Smithson Peverell in 1757 the dates jive.
Also on Ancestry is a family tree listing Archibald being born 1715 in Duddingston Midlothia Scotland. I contacted the tree owner and she found the info via a notice in Volume 28 of The Thoresby Society publications dated 1745. It said he was from Edinburgh, goodness knows where he died. He could even have left the country after Smithson died?

[Empty]

Hello again,
have followed up the info given about Archie and it looks like our Archie and it would also match the Archibald Ramage born 1714 in Duddingston, nr Edinburgh. This would make his parents James Ramadge and Margaret Torrence.
The Leeds Intelligencer newspaper also has a reference to Archie in 1790 when he was discharged from Leeds Infirmary for 'irregularities'! Does anyone know anything about old hospital-speak that would cast any light on what constitututed an irregularity?
In 1762 the same paper carries an advert for an apprentice and describes Archie as "The said Mr Ramage manufactures & sells by wholesale & retail all sorts of tobacco & snuff at the lowest prices"
Moira

[Darlingtonian]

I have nothing to add Moira but it lets others know we are all still connected to the thread.  What you have found sounds very interesting, the tobacco wholesaler sounds right and the piece on Leeds Infirmary would put him still in Leeds in 1790. 
Jean