help finding catherine johnson please

[jrc11]

Just to confuse things I note the 1911 census states birth place is Kensal Green (*)

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[Ecila]

thank you    - I wondered what that note meant. It may explain why I am having difficulties finding her.

[Ecila]

still tearing my hair out about this. i have found a record (1881 census) for a william johnson - widower and children:
Maryann
George
Frederick
Maria
James - not kensal green?

all born kensal green. Is it possible Catherine was born in 1881 and is not on the census for some reason? Maybe in hospital?

any suggestions gratefully accepted.

[patrish]

The 1881 census was taken on the 3rd of April, if she was born after that date she would not appear.

Can you please post the reference for that census or the ages of the children so we can find it.

[Ecila]

Hi

1881 Census piece 1361 folio 57

William Johnson born 1841 Willesden

Maryann Johnson born 1865 Kensal Green
George Johnson born 1870 Kensal Green
Frederick Johnson born 1871 Kensal Green
Maria Johnson born 1876
James Johnson born 1878 Middlesex

thank you for taking a look

ecila

[patrish]

This is the family in 1891 living in Chelsea

RG12/56/44/20

William Johnson  h. m    56 Monumental Mason b Stonebridge London
Kate Johnson    30  b not sure about place of birth
George H Johnson    21  b Willesden
Frederick W Johnson    20  b  Willesden
James H Johnson    13  b. Kensington
William Johnson    7  b. Willesden
Maria Johnson    15 b. Kensington
Mabel Johnson    6  b. Willesden.

The reason I looked at this next census was to see if the childrens ages were consistant, which they are I asked one of the moderators which registration district would Kensal Green/ Rise come under, evidently at some time  it was part of Chelsea.

As you can see the other children are not given as Kensal Rise on this one.

I found a birth registration of a Catherine Johnson Dec.q 1878 Chelsea 1a - 291 so trying to see if she would fit in with the other children.

Although James H ages gives him born in 1878 , I think this is his actual birth reg....... James Henry Johnson, Dec q. 1879  Kensington 1a - 4 so its quite pheasable for Catherine to be his sister although I cannot be 100% sure.

But I still cant find her in 1881 though 
   

[Ecila]

hi

i couldn't find a record for 1891 so thank you have now looked at it.

it seems that  William Johnson remarried because in 1881 he is a widower and in 1891 has a wife called Kate. I have found a record for his marriage in 1882 to a Kate Lean but as my catherine johnson does not appear on the 1891 census i am beginning to think she is not connected to this family. Pity

i may take a chance and request the birth certificate of the record you found for Dec quarter 1878. am also considering getting a copy of her son Joseph Notley's birth certificate in case it gives alternative christian or maiden name.

many thanks for finding the info - would love to know more about this lady but i guess its not always possible to track people down.

ecila

[patrish]

I wouldent send for the certificate yet as I did come across this family in 1881 living in Chelsea.

RG11/76/12/17

Warren R Johnson h.m. 29 Commission Agent born Rosherville, Kent
Charlotte wife 26 born Cambs
Mary C dau 5 born Cambs
Catherine dau 2 born Chelsea
Frederick I or L son born Chelsea.

[Ecila]

thanks - will look at her son's birth certificate when it arrives and take it from there

Have also found a potential Catherine -  in London and dates match.

1891 census
Civil parish St Margaret and St John the Evangelist Westminster
Piece 83
Folio 41
Page 36

the place where this Catherine is living may still have records so will try and and check it out.

thanks again for your help