Victoria May Turner

[Jessies Mum]

Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant - thank you karenlee, this is great news that until now has been completely unknown!  If you are able to go back any further even with John's father Charles Turner or Mary Ann's father James Hopes would be awesome!

[Jessies Mum]

Karenlee - that is amazing, you've just gone back another generation for me!  Thank you    One very happy vegemite here!

[karenlee]

I think that this is Mary Ann...

1891 Census England Yorkshire Barnsley
RG12/3773/140/58
41 New Street

HOPES
Sarah Head Wid 50 Shop Keeper Lancashire Manchester
Joseph Son Unmarr 24 Coal Miner Yorkshire Mapplewell
Matilda Dau Unmarr 20 Fruit Hawker Yorkshire Mapplewell
Mary A Dau Unmarr 18 Fruit Hawker Yorkshire Barnsley
Alice Dau Unmarr 15 Fruit Hawker Yorkshire Barnsley



1881 Census England Yorkshire Barnsley
RG11/4600/117/3
52 King Street

HOPES
Sarah Head Marr 40 Greengrocer Lancashire Manchester
Emma Dau Unmarr 22 Greengrocer Lancashire Manchester
Jane Dau Unmarr 20 Greengrocer Yorkshire Mapplewell
Amelia Dau Unmarr 12 Greengrocer Yorkshire Mapplewell
Matilda Dau Unmarr 10 Scholar Yorkshire Mapplewell
Mary A Dau Unmarr 8 Scholar Yorkshire Barnsley
Alice Dau Unmarr 5 Scholar Yorkshire Barnsely

Karenlee

[karenlee]

I am fairly sure that these are children of James and Sarah HOPES

Baptism Register
All Saints
Darton

All baptised 26th Feb 1865
No birth dates provided

James son of James and Sarah HOPES of Mapplewell. Father's Occupation Miner

Emma daughter of James and Sarah HOPES of Mapplewell. Father's Occupation Miner

Jane daughter of James and Sarah HOPES of Mapplelwell. Father's Occupation Miner



Joseph son of James and Sarah HOPES of Mapplewell. Baptised 30th Sept 1866. Father's Occupation Miner.


Baptism Register
St John the Baptist
Barnsley

Alice daughter of James and Sarah HOPES of King Street. Baptised 13th Nov 1884. Father's Occupation Miner

[Jessies Mum]

Then according to the marriage between John Thomas Turner and Mary Anne Hopes, Mary Anne's father was James, so possibly a marriage somewhere between Sarah and James?

[Jessies Mum]

sorry, it looks like i'm posting just after you have - my apologies.

[karenlee]

Looks like Sarah HOPES finally remarried

1901 Census England Yorkshire Barnsley
RG13/4315/92/1
41 New Street

FARMER
Sarah Head Marr 60 Grocer Lancashire Manchester
Matilda HOPES Dau Unmarr 29 Forewoman Mineral Water Works Yorkshire Mapplewell
Alice HOPES Dau Unmarr 25 Yorkshire Barnsley
James A HOPES Grand Son Unmarr 8 Scholar Public School Yorkshire Barnsley
Alice HOPES Grand Dau Unmarr 5 Scholar Public School Yorkshire Barnsley
Oliver HORNE Boarder Unmarr 24 Basket Maker Yorkshire Leeds.


FreeBMD has..

Marriages December Quarter 1895
Barnsley Yorkshire
Volume 9c Page 373

FARMER William
HOPES Sarah

Karenlee

[karenlee]

1871 Census England Yorkshire Darton
RG10/4643/44/27
Club Gardens or Row

HOPES
James Head marr 32 Coal Miner Gloucestershire Not Known
Sarah Wife Marr 33 Lancashire Manchester
Emma Dau Unmarr 12 Yarn Spinner Lancashire Manchester
Jane Dau Unmarr 10 Yorkshire Darton
James Son Unmarr 8 Yorkshire Darton
Joseph Son Unmarr 5 Yorkshire Darton
Amelia Dau Unmarr 2 Yorkshire Darton
Matilda Dau Unmarr 8mths Yorkshire Darton


Possible marriage for James and Sarah

FreeBMD
Marriages March Quarter 1858
Manchester Lancashire
Volume 8d Page 394

DIXON Sarah
HOPES James

Karenlee

[karenlee]

1911 Census has Matilda HOPES with her daughter Alice HOPES living with William WATSON who she marries in 1913.  Suppose that James A HOPES is her son too.

Karenlee