Army/Equine meeting photo for identification

[macintosh]

Thanks for those kind remarks Paddy, it has been a pleasure watching the whole story unfold with input from a lot of knowledgeable people,

James

[PaddyInWales]

Paddy, can you identify #21's cap badge on the original?
Look's a bit Royal Berks-ish to me. If so, then I'd hazard the man could be Lt.-Col. Herbert Thomas "Tom" Goodland, 5th Bn Royal Berkshire Regiment and, from 1919 to 1928, Deputy Controller of the Imperial War Graves Commission.
Pre-WW1: http://www.chilliwackmuseum.ca/War_Mem_ss2.html
Post-WW1: http://www.thewardrobe.org.uk/research/the-collection/detail/21829

Adrian

Adrian, can't quite get a sharp enough image of the badge: but I am absolutely convinced you are right, many many thanks! Comparison photo below. A key (and almost final) piece of the jigsaw in place...

Colonel Goodland gets a mention in a letter from Kipling to Elsie on 19 July 1922. Also see the linkage in this text:

"From THE KIPLING JOURNAL No 63, October, 1942
Extract from a lecture by ALBERT FROST entitled Rudyard Kipling’s Masonic Allusions
INTEREST IN WAR GRAVES COMMISSION.
I should be lacking if I did not mention the interest in, and the influence he had over, the Imperial War Graves Commission. It was on his suggestion that the " Stone of Remembrance "in each war cemetery bears the inscription : " Their name liveth for evermore." No more fragrant or appropriate inscription could have been found for the War Graves of France and Flanders than that. When I was personally conducted over several cemeteries a few years ago, I raised my hat in admiration and reverence, and thanked God for Rudyard Kipling. On being subsequently requested by the Staff of this same Commission [Herbert Goodland] to select the name for a Masonic Lodge he said, "I would call it ' The Builders of the Silent Cities'," and so it is. Think of it ! Of this Lodge Kipling was a Founder—membership being open to only those who have taken some active interest in the War Graves Commission."

This tallies with the last paragraph in your chilliwackmuseum link.

And looking at the group photo with new eyes, Colonel Goodland has a key and prominent position.

Everything now points to this photo being taken after a masonic luncheon for The Builders...

Paddy

[apwright]

I don't think #24 can be Maj. Bonham, because he's wearing the collar insignia of a general or field marshal, so how about
Maj.Gen. Sir Fabian Arthur Goulstone Ware, Vice–Chairman of the IWGC.
http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw53167/Sir-Fabian-Arthur-Goulstone-Ware
http://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/ware.htm
(though, looking again at the 2nd link, he could also be in civvies as #20. Except I've got another suggestion for #20 below!)

A few more suggestions (all IWGC people):

Alternative for #13: Sir Reginald Theodore Blomfield, architect for the IWGC (designed the Menin Gate).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Blomfield
http://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/reginaldblomfield.htm

#20: perhaps Sir Robert Stodart Lorimer, architect.
http://home.btconnect.com/standrewsgc/architect.htm
http://www.scottisharchitects.org.uk/de/image_archive/a_200052_robert_lorimer/scr_Sir%20Robert%20Lorimer.jpg

Alternative for #19: Sir John James Burnet, architect.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0kyz/

#12: Sir Frederic Kenyon, Director of the British Museum and Adviser to the IWGC.
http://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/frederickenyon.htm

Adrian

[apwright]

Although I just said that #20 could be Fabian Ware in civvies, I'll now retract that after finding the photo below of Fabian Ware (left, pulling a face unfortunately!) and the King (right) at Tyne Cot in May 1922.
Note the similarity of Ware's medal bar with #24, and also the overseas service chevrons on his right sleeve, which I think you can see on #24 as a light patch beside the adjacent lady's hand.
The two men in the middle here are Haig (right) and an unlabeled officer - though he could easily be Goodland.

For #20 I'll stick with Lorimer.

Adrian

[apwright]

And this pic of Reginald Blomfield and His Maj at Ypres in 1922 convinces me that Blomfield is your #13.

I think you should email the CWGC!

Adrian

[apwright]

I might be clutching at straws here, but for #11 maybe Sir James Allen, New Zealand's High Commissioner to the UK from 1920, and associated with the IWGC?
http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portraitLarge/mw97631/Sir-James-Allen

Adrian

[PaddyInWales]

Thanks for all your thoughts Adrian, you make some very convincing arguments!  Yes I am preparing to contact the War Graves Commission, just need to put together a sensible and detailed approach, to grab their interest right from the start. Your latest revelations make an even more convincing argument. Hopefully they will respond positively, and we can all start sleeping through the night once again

Sorry to have missed replying before, the sunshine drew me away to the coast for the weekend!

Regards

Paddy in Wales

[eregli_gene]

The guy right at the back looks like Dulles, but it isn't - wrong date.

[PaddyInWales]

Here is an update, with current thinking on identities:

Identified group members in photo taken early July 1922

5   Donald Sterling Palmer Howard, 3rd Baron Strathcona and Mount Royal.
6   John Simon, 1st Viscount Simon, later to become Home Secretary, Foreign Secretary and Chancellor of the Exchequer: in 1922 he was MP for Spen Valley and deputy leader of the Liberal Party. Husband of No 25.
11   Sir James Allen, NZ High Commissioner. He was appointed an Officer of the Legion of Honour in February 1922 when he was High Commissioner in London.
12   Sir Frederic Kenyon, Director, British Museum
13   Sir Reginald Theodore Blomfield (architect of Menin Gate, Ypres)
14   US Chief Justice William Howard Taft, formerly US President. On three week fact-finding visit to Britain, 16th June-8th July 1922
15   Helen (“Nellie”) Taft, wife of No 14
19   Sir John James Burnett, architect of War memorials at Gallipoli, and Jerusalem
20   Sir Robert Stodard Lorimer, architect of the Scottish National War Memorial at Edinburgh Castle
21   Lt.-Col. Herbert Thomas "Tom" Goodland, Deputy Controller IWGC
22   Captain William Masters, R.A.S.C.
24   Major General Sir Fabian Arthur Goulstone Ware KCVO, KBE, CB, CMG, founder of the Imperial War Graves Commission, now the Commonwealth War Graves Commission
25   Kathleen, Viscountess Simon, Wife of No 6
26   Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn, son of Queen Victoria. Note black armband: he is in mourning for the death of his close friend Field Marshal Sir Henry Hughes Wilson, shot by IRA gunmen in London, June 22nd 1922.
27   General Sir Horace Lockwood Smith-Dorrien, Governor of Gibraltar. He devoted much his time to the welfare and remembrance of Great War soldiers.
28   Carrie Kipling, wife of No 30
29   Elsie Kipling, daughter of Nos 30 and 28
30   Rudyard Kipling, author. Kipling's role was to advise the IWGC on inscriptions and other literary matters, and he was a founder member together with Tom Goodland (No 21) and others of The Builders of the Silent Cities, a Masonic lodge for IWGC staff.
31   Captain George Louis St Clair Bambridge, Diplomat, of Wimpole Hall, near Cambridge: will marry No 29 in 1924

Thanks again to everyone for their help: will report back once I get a response from CWGC and the Lodge

Paddy