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Dating (only) requests please
« on: Monday 20 February 12 20:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi folks,

I'd be grateful for any help dating these photos which may (or may not!) be of my gggparents.  I'm unable to provide more details of the back as the photos were from a cousin in the US.

I believe all three photos were taken in Dundee, Scotland. From local street directories, I know that John Roger was active between 1880 and at least 1912. Alex Donald (second photo) from around 1867 - 1903.  The third photo I know nothing of.

As an aside, do people feel that the adults are the same two people? The woman I can just about see, but I'm struggling to convince myself that it's the same man...

Many thanks in advance
Mark


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Re: Dating (only) requests please
« Reply #1 on: Monday 20 February 12 21:57 GMT (UK) »
Top right,early 1890s,can you show us the backs Mark.
SCOTLAND: Wardlaw Steen/Stein Tweedie McBride McEwan Pate/Peat Brown Somerville Bishop Farier/Ferrier Wood  Torrance Gibb Ross Dunlop Downs Richardson Ramsey Story Snaddon/Sneddon Auld Allan McLean McInnes Mason Law Lawson Kerr Cockburn Christie Ballingall Wardrope Weir Wallace Scott.
IRELAND: Welsh Clifford Lee Allingham Keane Dale Robinson Greer McVey Bingham Skelton Carson Broomfield Clark McEwan/McKeown McCreary McLaughlan.
YORKSHIRE: Cudworth Smith Cope Coulton Hainsworth

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« Reply #2 on: Monday 20 February 12 22:00 GMT (UK) »
Thanks. Unfortunately no backs, the compilation as it stands came from my cousin in the States. I've asked him to see if there is anything on the reverse.

Mark

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Re: Dating (only) requests please
« Reply #3 on: Monday 20 February 12 22:08 GMT (UK) »
Pic.1 Edwardian & probably early 1900-05 as he doesn't have the later shirt collar.
Pic2 the slight kickup on her shoulder indicates 1889/90.
Pic.3 the later style gigot sleeve indicates 1896-99.

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Re: Dating (only) requests please
« Reply #4 on: Monday 20 February 12 23:34 GMT (UK) »
The top right photo would be from the later 1880s or possibly the very early 1890s. I’ve read that black card mounts were most popular from about 1877 to 1887. Also, the woman’s dress would be from about this time frame. The tight buttoned line bodice with the severe and slightly high waist was popular in the 1880s. The appear to show a slight lift at the shoulders. This popped up around 1890 (give or take a couple years, I’m not sure of the exact debut) and started a fad of even larger sleeves over the rest of the decade.

I think the bottom photo was probably taken a little later. It strikes me as being more solidly 1890s based on the woman’s dress and, again, the oversized sleeves. The collar also strikes me as being from closer to 1900 than 1880. The man’s suit also would not be out of place for this time period

The family portrait is a bit trickier to me as neither men’s nor children’s clothes changed as frequently as women’s clothes and the older woman’s dress is largely obscured. My best guess, however, is that this is early 1900s from what I can see.  Also, the mount seems slightly more modern and unusual than your typical 19th century CDV/cabinet card. That’s just a guess though.

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 21 February 12 12:24 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks all.

Mark