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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #45 on: Monday 12 March 12 11:20 GMT (UK) »
There is a 9 year old John Wells  on Guernsey in 1841

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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #46 on: Monday 12 March 12 11:21 GMT (UK) »
Alternatively to that suggestion re someone using Ancestry Why not use the RChat Resources boards and the live links to the various Passenger lists found there?(
I am concerned about any suggestion that may affect the T&C of any subscription sites and/or RChat site)

Cheers JM

There is an assisted immigrant John Wells aged 23 in 1854

I suggest you ask someone with an Ancestry subscription for some details of the several John Wells who appear on the unassited and assisted passenger lists to Victoria and other Australian ports.
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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #47 on: Monday 12 March 12 11:28 GMT (UK) »
The TANTIVY arrived New South Wales not Victoria.

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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #48 on: Monday 12 March 12 11:33 GMT (UK) »
"The TANTIVY arrived New South Wales not Victoria."

There is no impediment to travelling from Sydney to Melbourne in 2 years.         It is not really any harder than travelling from Tasmania !

That is the only John Wells appearing on any of the lists that I know how to look up who was
(a)  around the right age ;  and
(b)  arrived before 1856.
(c)   was single.

It would be unwise to assume that just because a person turns up in Melbourne,   that they arrived from overseas on a ship which went straight to Melbourne.

Back when research was a lot harder than it is now,  it took us about 13 years to find the immigration of one of my great-great-grandfathers,   because he actually arrived on a ship which went to Hervey Bay (!)  and apparently hated the weather so much that he straight to Sydney.l


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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #49 on: Monday 12 March 12 11:48 GMT (UK) »
eregli

Re Tantivy ...This record would be found in NSWSRO files ... I am not sure why arrivals of your eregli forebears is relevant to this RChat thread

Cheers JM

"The TANTIVY arrived New South Wales not Victoria."

There is no impediment to travelling from Sydney to Melbourne in 2 years.         It is not really any harder than travelling from Tasmania !

That is the only John Wells appearing on any of the lists that I know how to look up who was
(a)  around the right age ;  and
(b)  arrived before 1856.
(c)   was single.

It would be unwise to assume that just because a person turns up in Melbourne,   that they arrived from overseas on a ship which went straight to Melbourne.

Back when research was a lot harder than it is now,  it took us about 13 years to find the immigration of one of my great-great-grandfathers,   because he actually arrived on a ship which went to Hervey Bay (!)  and apparently hated the weather so much that he straight to Sydney.l

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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #50 on: Monday 12 March 12 11:53 GMT (UK) »
Information on marriage certificates in Vic should include the parents of the bride and groom.  Taking into account that they were married in 1856 not many years after civil registration commenced [1853], could you type up ALL the information on the marriage certificate.

If we had some parents names then perhaps we can establish whether or not Sarah's parents were convicts.


Previous thread & details on Sarah WILLIAMS & John WELLS

Sarah b. Tasmania - parents: John Williams & Jane Johnston

John b. Jersey UK - parents: Joseph Wells and Frances Brown


http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,581318.msg4329930.html#msg4329930

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,571505.msg4239544.html#msg4239544

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,571505.0.html

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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #51 on: Monday 12 March 12 12:32 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Merlin.

It would appear that Joseph's first marriage was to Frances BROWN and second to Catherine UNKNOWN.  This would explain the 8 years gap between John and his half brother Adolphus.

1841 Census HO107/1460/11/4/28/7
Living at Commercial Arcade St Peter's Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
WELLS Joseph 36  Baker  Born England
WELLS Catherine 32  Born England
WELLS Joseph 14 years  Born Guernsey
WELLS Fanny 12 years   Born England
WELLS John  9 years  Born England
WELLS Adolphus 1  Born Guernsey

There are a number of entries eg baptisms, mentions in various publications etc for your family on the combined databases on
http://zades.com.au/gandd/index.php/databases/gddbs

Perhaps the Geelong newspapers of the day may have more information.  They are not on TROVE.

Cheers
Cando

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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #52 on: Monday 12 March 12 21:25 GMT (UK) »
Apologies Leanne....transcription error :-[

Should be......

WELLS Joseph 14 years  Born Jersey

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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #53 on: Tuesday 13 March 12 06:28 GMT (UK) »
Cando and Merlin,  Thank you so much for your work and I apologise for not responding sooner.  I posted last night and had to call it quits as I had a 4.00am rise. 

Thank you for finding my John.  His parents were Frances Brown and Joseph Wells so you have helped immensely.  Also, someone asked why I assumed that John's wife Sarah Ann Williams was born to convicts in Tassie.  I was only suggesting that as I already have another family member who came to Geelong after 7 years as a convict in Tasmania, so it was only a maybe.  Sarah's parents, according to her first marriage cert. to John Wells were John Williams and Janet Johnston, however by Sarah's second marriage after John died, her mother was listed as Jane Johnson. 

Someone else on line also researched her family back to a John Williams and Janet Johnston from Tasmania, then Victoria, then NSW and finally back to Victoria.  But she told me that there were two sets of families with parents John and Janet/Jane Williams (nee Johnston) and mine started in Tasmania where they married in around 1840.  John Williams apparantly was born in Dublin and his wife Janet/Jane Johnston/Johnson was from Glasgow.  Their first child was Sarah Ann born in about 1841,  they then had James, Jane and John in Hobart and then came over to Geelong where they had 2 Charles', Alexander, George and Thomas.  I am still tracking down proof of the children born in Geelong as I don't have all of their birth years yet (ie the last two).  I do know that some of the children are buried in Geelong and I am still trying to track down what happened to John Williams and Janet/Jane. 

I have found a death certificate for a Janet Williams born Johnston, however, this is the ancestor of the other lady on line and not mine. (VIC BDM 932)
So I am still looking for information on the Geelong John Williams and Janet/Jane, as their death certificates will help me fill in the blanks on that side. 

Thanks again for your interest in my search,'
Leanne
BECKLEY, CHOWNS, HUTCHINSON, MARTIN, BARR, WALKER, WHITCOMBE, QUARRELL, CURRELL, MITCHELL, McGRATH, WELLS, GARVIN, LOWE, WILLIAMS, BURNHEIM, McVEY, TEVELEIN, CRAWFORD