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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #36 on: Monday 12 March 12 05:36 GMT (UK) »
thanks for the reply,  I'm still looking for an answer.  There were four men who perished and there doesn't appear to be a death cert. for any of them.  I have tried a couple of avenues, but so far, I have not had any luck.  I'll keep trying.
Thanks for your interest anyway.
Leanne.
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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #37 on: Monday 12 March 12 06:02 GMT (UK) »
Leanne, good luck with your search.  Do let's know if you find one, as it seems unlikely.  Certificates were not used very much before the middle of the C20.  You could enrol in the armed forces, get married, request probate, register BMDs, open a bank account and do almost anything without producing any ID at all.  I cannot see any reference to an estate left by John WELLS, so no need for paperwork there.

Did his widow marry again?  Even then a declaration on her part would be acceptable, especially if the marriage took place in the same area where people would know her.

There are many instances of there being no registrations and thus no certificates for BMDs, especially in early times and/or in country areas. While registration was required after 1853 I am not sure who was actually responsible for submitting a registration.   

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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #38 on: Monday 12 March 12 07:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi Judith,  My gg grandfather drowned in 1873 and his widow remarried in 1877.  Her marriage certificate just states that she was a widow since 1873 and that she was living at the time of her second marriage, in Sandridge, Port Melbourne.

The thing is that I am sure that the man, John Wells who drowned is my John Wells as each piece of information I find validates this so I am comfortable to accept his death date as established.  However, I wanted a death certificate for all the other information I might have been able to find.  Maybe with your experience, as opposed to my inadequacies, you may be able to point me in the right direction.  I am stuck as to when this man came to be in Australia.  There are John Wells who arrived as convicts and some who came as settlers and I don't know where to start sorting through them to find my John Wells.  I do know that he was born in Jersey, England and his marriage certificate says he was a Baker.  However, he made his living as a fisherman in Queenscliff during his marriage to my GG grandmother.  Their marriage certificate states that he was 24 and she was 15 and they married in Melbourne.  One point of interest is that she was born in 1841 in Hobart, Van Diemans Land.  So, I would assume that her parents may have been convicts.  They moved to Melbourne after a couple of their children were born and continued to have more kids.  The marriage certificate also has both bride and groom living at the same address with her father signing his permission for the marriage.  I am wondering if there is a connection with Tasmania and if John Wells may have been a convict who also came to Melbourne and already knew Sarah (that's the 15 year old's name) and her family.  Do you know if there is any way to find out what became of convicts after their release from Tassie.  I hope I'm not asking too much, but I'm stumped as to where to go with this particular branch of the family.  

Anyway, thanks for your interest
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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #39 on: Monday 12 March 12 10:19 GMT (UK) »
" One point of interest is that she was born in 1841 in Hobart, Van Diemans Land.  So, I would assume that her parents may have been convicts. "

Why would you "assume" this ?    Not everybody in Tasmania in 1841 was a convict.


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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #40 on: Monday 12 March 12 10:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi leanne
working backwards from your dates, was John born ~1832 (married 1856 aged 24 years?)
if so, then none of the convict John Wells on the Tas Archives database fit with this DOB
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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #41 on: Monday 12 March 12 10:54 GMT (UK) »
Information on marriage certificates in Vic should include the parents of the bride and groom.  Taking into account that they were married in 1856 not many years after civil registration commenced [1853], could you type up ALL the information on the marriage certificate.

If we had some parents names then perhaps we can establish whether or not Sarah's parents were convicts.

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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #42 on: Monday 12 March 12 10:59 GMT (UK) »
There is an assisted immigrant John Wells aged 23 in 1854


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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #43 on: Monday 12 March 12 11:15 GMT (UK) »
The John Wells on the Tantivy in 1854  was from Sunbury(?) Middlesex.

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Re: Death cert. for a drowning
« Reply #44 on: Monday 12 March 12 11:17 GMT (UK) »
Assisted immigrants arriving Victoria
http://210.8.122.120/indexes/index_search.asp?searchid=24

Unassisted immigrants arriving Victoria
http://210.8.122.120/indexes/index_search.asp?searchid=23


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