Barnhill Poorhouse Applications

[myra elsdon]

Hi, The address on her BC is 15 Rumford Street, Glasgow ( Bridegton) this is also the address 4 years later for James ( her brother..my Grandfather) both illegitimate but she was born in Eastern District Hospital..he in Barnhill poorhouse. As the mother has the same address on both BC it could be that she went to the Poorhouse to have the baby but did not reside there? As an aside looked again at that 1911 census and the Jessie Baillie at 6 years living with that family, her birthplace unlike all the rest from the highlands is listed as Lanark, Glasgow so pretty sure that is her. Will now try and find out more about their mother my GG Mary Baillie. Myra

[MonicaL]

Hi Myra

I tried searching on SP and their valuation rolls database for 1905. I thought maybe Mary Baillie might have family living at Romford Street, Bridgeton. I think there was only one family showing in 1905, they also are in at the same address of 62 Romford Street on the 1901 census. 1901 listing below. Everyonw showing as born in Glasgow except Joseph:

Joseph Bailie 32 Leather Dresser b. Ireland
Jane Bailie 33
William Bailie 6
Joseph Bailie 4
Margaret Bailie 8 months

Also, from the 1901 census, 15 Rumford Street looks to likely have been a tenements with multiple households showing at that address.

I think it would be great if you could arrange for a search of the Poor Relief Application records (not sure if these are still held at the Mitchell Library in Glasgow). These are likely to be the most potentially revealing of all documents, if they are there to be found. You often see children from the Glasgow area being sent up to smaller communities in the Highlands in these times. I think you are very likely on the right track for your mother's family 

Monica

[myra elsdon]

Hi Monica, Thanks for doing that, I am just feeling my way at the moment but the family at 15 Rumford Street with John Baillie and Annie Baillie as parents is the one, with Mary Baillie ( my GGrandmother) aged 9years. I know this as that is the address given on both my Mum's Dad's BC and his sisters so that was a match. I had the birth dates of my Mum's Dad from Mum but found the birthdate of his sister Jessie at another site as she was a nun. My Mum gave me a photo yesterday of her Dad and Mum and her and her sister with people called MacDonald from Roy Bridge which is where my Mum's Dad went as a boy. He must have had some happy times there as he went back there to marry my Granny. Mum was sad to learn of her Dad's birth, she never knew he was illegitimate and to discover her Granny's name was the same as her own Mum...Mary. She was still glad to know at 80 of things she had often wondered about and as she said it has brought us to where we are now. I live in Australia but I'm coming to Scotland in 18 months and will check out some of my discoveries and go to Roy bridge. Been quite a journey and not over yet.. getting into it!! Thanks again for answering Monica. Regards Myra

[MonicaL]

....I am just feeling my way at the moment but the family at 15 Rumford Street with John Baillie and Annie Baillie as parents is the one, with Mary Baillie ( my GGrandmother) aged 9years...

Myra, is this the one you mean, from 1891?:

John Baillie 44 coal miner b. Barrhead, Renfrewshire
Anne Baillie 45 b. Ireland
Jane Baillie 18
Jessie Baillie 13
Mary Baillie 9 b. Bridgeton, Lanarkshire
John Baillie 7
Maggie Wallace 17 boarder

Address: 114 Main Street, Bridgeton, Glasgow

There are other options for a Mary Baillie in Glasgow around the 1901 census. This is where it gets more tricky 

We need hard facts around the early 1900s to connect a Mary Baillie to the births of a Jessie and James Baillie around that time.

Monica

[myra elsdon]

Hi Monica, Yes, you are right, that is the address, I have just checked! That is the family at Bridgeton. I was using the address on James and Jessie's BC which was where there mother Mary lived...novice mistake. Next census Annie is a widow and Jessie( eldest daughter) is listed as married ( name Boyle) my Mum said there was a Boyle but she thought it was Annie's maiden name. Annie was born in Ireland, again my Mum said there was a Grandmother who was Irish so it all ties in. I followed John Baillie( Annie's only son) Mary's brother as he was still a Baillie but he died at 45. Jessie ( Boyle) I have found her DC she was 81 when she died ( a widow) her daughter Jane Walker signed the DC so today I think I will try and find her children...my distant cousins, is that right. gets confusing. My Mum is going to try and get some more info/names from her sister in Scotland who is 84 ( we think she may know some of this info?) my Grandparents where living with her when they passed, so she may have James DC! My parents came to Australia when I was 3 so trying to do all this from here, but am enjoying it...it's like meeting people for the first time. I guess you have found all your family being an old hand at this? Thanks for taking the time to answer my posts, very helpful. Regards Myra

[MonicaL]

Myra, lovely to see you starting out on this exciting journey  It is a thrill and discovery, all the more important because you obsess and begin to put all the pieces together. To be honest, that is how you get to "know" your ancestors.

I started on all of this not too long ago. Born abroad, Scottish Dad and Spanish mum. I love ancestry research, with a huge love spot for Scotland have to admit 

Ask away here as you go along your steps. Lots of lovely experienced people here on RC who enjoy the challenges and will treat your family members as their own, with lots of passion to find them and what become of them 

Monica

[MonicaL]

Myra, I think I may have found a photo of Mary Baillie and her sisters and brother John. Will send you a Personal Message (PM). Will email and pop up as such on your account. Let me know if you have a problem accessing...

Monica

[myra elsdon]

Wow!! That would be amazing as my Mum would love that...tears!!Will check then ask questions ( 7.53am in OZ) Thanks

[MonicaL]

Any time, Myra...World today is 24 hrs...or so my children tell me 

Monica