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You rang m'lord....indeed,I need dating.
« on: Saturday 11 February 12 11:51 GMT (UK) »
I bought this mainly because it still has it's original protective tissue attached and I didn't have an example of a cabinet card with this (though do have two cdvs with it in place).However I was also given a photocopy of the names that were beneath the photo in the album it came from.This says Lord and Lady Holland and child.With a correct date I might find who they were.I was thinking early 1900s,but Jim,I remember you saying that the kickup sleeve was popular from 1899 - 1893,is Lady Holland's sleeve a kickup.If so I guess that would make it early 1890s.
SCOTLAND: Wardlaw Steen/Stein Tweedie McBride McEwan Pate/Peat Brown Somerville Bishop Farier/Ferrier Wood  Torrance Gibb Ross Dunlop Downs Richardson Ramsey Story Snaddon/Sneddon Auld Allan McLean McInnes Mason Law Lawson Kerr Cockburn Christie Ballingall Wardrope Weir Wallace Scott.
IRELAND: Welsh Clifford Lee Allingham Keane Dale Robinson Greer McVey Bingham Skelton Carson Broomfield Clark McEwan/McKeown McCreary McLaughlan.
YORKSHIRE: Cudworth Smith Cope Coulton Hainsworth

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Re: You rang m'lord....indeed,I need dating.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 11 February 12 12:01 GMT (UK) »
Yes I would say this is an early style,1889-90.I can't find anything about Lonsdale & Co. at this address.
Is there anything on the back?

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Re: You rang m'lord....indeed,I need dating.
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 11 February 12 12:20 GMT (UK) »
No Jim,plain back.I'm struggling to find Lord Holland too.Googling throws up people from before the invention of the camera ;D
SCOTLAND: Wardlaw Steen/Stein Tweedie McBride McEwan Pate/Peat Brown Somerville Bishop Farier/Ferrier Wood  Torrance Gibb Ross Dunlop Downs Richardson Ramsey Story Snaddon/Sneddon Auld Allan McLean McInnes Mason Law Lawson Kerr Cockburn Christie Ballingall Wardrope Weir Wallace Scott.
IRELAND: Welsh Clifford Lee Allingham Keane Dale Robinson Greer McVey Bingham Skelton Carson Broomfield Clark McEwan/McKeown McCreary McLaughlan.
YORKSHIRE: Cudworth Smith Cope Coulton Hainsworth

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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 11 February 12 12:42 GMT (UK) »
I take a walk every morning through Holland Gardens, Wimbledon, left to the borough by Lady Holland. I wonder if it's the same one?

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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 11 February 12 12:52 GMT (UK) »
That's interwsting meles,the nearest I could find was a vague reference to a Lord Holland on Surrey County Council circa 1930.
SCOTLAND: Wardlaw Steen/Stein Tweedie McBride McEwan Pate/Peat Brown Somerville Bishop Farier/Ferrier Wood  Torrance Gibb Ross Dunlop Downs Richardson Ramsey Story Snaddon/Sneddon Auld Allan McLean McInnes Mason Law Lawson Kerr Cockburn Christie Ballingall Wardrope Weir Wallace Scott.
IRELAND: Welsh Clifford Lee Allingham Keane Dale Robinson Greer McVey Bingham Skelton Carson Broomfield Clark McEwan/McKeown McCreary McLaughlan.
YORKSHIRE: Cudworth Smith Cope Coulton Hainsworth

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Re: You rang m'lord....indeed,I need dating.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 11 February 12 13:39 GMT (UK) »
This might not be what you want, but I have found alot of information about the early family.

Very little later though, with this exception.http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k6q/

It seems to take you up as far as 1841 bit then stops!  I did put in later dates with no Joy

Oh well it is interesting anyway.

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Re: You rang m'lord....indeed,I need dating.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 11 February 12 13:51 GMT (UK) »
According to my 1938 edition of Burke's in 1889 there was another Lord Holland around. He was Ben Herbert Holland of Worsley, Kenilworth, S Africa. He was born 1842 and married Agnes Hope Huntley in 1872, They had sons Arthur Herbert in 1873 and Alfred Reginald in 1876. Alfred was Lord Holland in 1938.

I'm no expert on peers and their lineage but the dates above from Burkes look a little early for the datings given by Chatters based on clothing?

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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 11 February 12 13:55 GMT (UK) »
Cracked it!

Not my favourite reference site, but here is the info.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k6r/   Lord Holland died without male heirs, thus his titles died with him.

The chap mentioned here looks like being the same one. Dates etc OK

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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 11 February 12 14:04 GMT (UK) »
Am I being dense but if Lord Holland died in 1859 how can there be a photo of him ~1890?!!!!
Pete
Walker- Tideswell  DBY
Conboy - Greagh LET
Wilson - Bradfield WRY
Prior  - LET
Sanderson - WRY
Graham - GLS
Such - GLS
Moffatt - LND
Hudson - KEN DOR
Prebble - KEN
Ling - SFK
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