birth and parents of William BAWDEN b abt1800

[osprey]

just had alook for Wheal Virgin & it's no distance from Penberthy Crofts

http://www.cornwallinfocus.co.uk/history/ennyswv.php

http://www.cornwallinfocus.co.uk/history/pcrofts.php

Don't think this is in the links, but might be worth keeping an eye on

http://www.geevor.com/index.php?page=60

There's another mining museum as well
http://www.poldark-mine.co.uk/sitemapheritage.htm

 

[jmusher]

OK thanks Osprey. Nothing coming up so far, but my feeling after noting this (and the fact that he named his first property in Australia "Penberthy") is that his connections are likely in the area.
But I do think Prue was  on to something with her interpretation of "St Wenn(e)" but, maybe it was actually an abbreviation of something else? might never know 
I might contact one of the museums to see if they have any bits of paper relevant to our quest.

[jmusher]

In the 1841 census, I have found a William Bawden (age 86 maybe our Williams father) and Margaret Bawden 59  (wife? daughter?) "Household Work" in Penzance Union Workhouse.

Penzance is very close to both Marazion and Penberthy...

UPDATE: ruled this William and Margaret out.

[osprey]

Penzance would have been the union for Marazion, but there was some sort of building in Marazion

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Penzance/

It could be the name of the church rather than the parish. Church in St Wenn is St Wenna, but there are no Bawden baptisms there. Church in Gwennap, very much nearer Marazion, is St Wenappa, Wedton is St Wendron(a).

 

 

[jmusher]

  is right.

seems there were all manner of William Bawdens all over Cornwall, including Marazion.
I found another possibility, but cant confirm it.
(As the Wesleyan circuit doesnt begin until later, maybe they were C of E prior? ...But I cant find an indication of faith for the record below)

Marazion:
Thomas Bawden m Christian
Children
William b 1774 (Baptism 17 Mar 1744)
Thomas b 1776

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJYB-JJK

Could the William above be father to our William? 

...but then going back to the term "sojourner" should I be looking in this area at all? He and his father (at least) did live in Marazion, but looking at the specific meaning of sojourner, should I assume that he hasnt been there three weeks at the time of his marriage, or is the term used merely to indicate that he was of another faith?

[osprey]

 I think I mentioned on the other thread that before the Marazion circuit, there was the St Ives circuit which was one of the earliest. BUT, it looks like the records don't survive.

http://west-penwith.org.uk/wpenchp2.htm

Any parish record you find is anglican/C of E in England & Wales at this time. He wasn't of another faith as I'm pretty sure he was Christian, he was of another denomination. And no, sojourner was not meant to refer to this as it shows he wasn't settled in the parish. When he became a Methodist is an unknown. He may have been baptised in the established church like his wife. 

[jmusher]

Thanks Osprey 
...quite right about the difference between "faith" and "denomination". I must be tired

I think I have to leave it for a while now, maybe more records will become available down the track maybe not. I can see hints of him here and there, but nothing definite, it is all conjecture at this stage.
I appreciate all your help very much. 

[jmusher]

I think I have found him.
I got an email from a lovely lady at Cornwall Legacy, who made me think I should be looking for a separate established church baptism, in addition to the Wesleyan (she was unable to find the Wesleyan baptism) as it was often a condition of being married in the established church. So... with that in mind, I took another look at the immigration application which stated that William Bawden was 39 in April 1838. This meant that I was looking for baptisms after April of 1799, separate to the listed 5 April 1800, The only one that came up in cornwall which I hadn't previously ruled out (because of census data etc) was a William Bowden son of William and Alice, in June 1799, at Mylor. Looking further I saw that they had two daughters (one died within the first year) both spelt Bawden.
Mylor just happens to be where Trefusis manor once stood, Trefusis being the name of numerous early family properties in Australia, as well as the middle name for about 8 descendants.
As William and Alice Bawden of Mylor do not show up in the census at Mylor in 1841 I can be fairly confident that they did move. Other William & Alices in the 41 census have been ruled out as being the same ones from Mylor. Maybe Alice died early (fairly likely with only 3 children?) I know that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but....
So I am pretty happy with this result, it fits well.
Thanks for all of your help Osprey 

[osprey]

I'm going to disagree with your lovely lady. There was no choice about where to marry at the time and I'd be pretty sure that members of older non-conformist denominations like the Baptists would not be baptised in the established church, so why would it be different for Wesleyans? It could be that he was baptised in the established church as a child and then became a Methodist.

I have Baptists from Pembrokeshire in one family line and I've looked at the records for the parish. This parish had a high level of non-conformity in the 1790s/1800s & there are very few baptisms in the records, several years without a single one. There are marriages though, plenty of them & some burials. The vicar filled the blank page one year with an account of a sudden storm that drowned at least 20 fisherman. It must have been a very quiet living for him.    

But I'm not saying that Mylor baptism isn't a possible though. My Sithney family went back & fore to Budock & St Martin In Meneage for work, and Mylor to Marazion isn't that much further.

burial for Alice
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=702761

baptisms
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=988187
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=988104
burial of first Mary - on my birthday!
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=842381

But there is a marriage in Mylor that could be the William you found with sister Mary as witness
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=449589

& William witnesses her marriage as well
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=449668

several baptisms to William & Harriet in the parish, he is noted as mariner.

Have a look at this site for transcribed records, Mylor isn't complete, baptisms from 1801 only .
http://v1.cornwall-opc-database.org/personsearchdb.php