birth and parents of William BAWDEN b abt1800

[jmusher]

Hi all,
I am trying to find the birth and Parents of William Bawden born about 1800 in Cornwall.
William married Elizabeth Hosking Williams on 16 April 1821 at St Hilary Maraizon. Some old family correspondence I have mentions that the marriage certificate listed an Edmund Bawden as one of the witnesses.

William emigrated to Australia in 1839 with his wife and one son, which is how I get a possibe birthdate of 1800. The ships manifest lists him as an engineer. I have not been able to find anything at St Hilary

Hoping someone can help, I am really stuck here! If you can point me in the right direction I would really appreciate it.
Thankyou,
Jodie

[osprey]

1821 marriage in St Hilary gives the bride as Mary and William as a sojourner, so not settled in the parish

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=553230

You can check the images online at the new FamilySearch site as St Hilary records are browsable. Bride definitely Mary, but I wouldn't like to say for sure that the Bawden witness is Edmund. It ends in a d, but I wouldn't like to go much further.

Mary was baptised 12/8/1798
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1330178
& her brothers who were witnesses
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1330440
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1330090

marriage of parents explaining the Hosking
http://v1.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=552656&dbtype=marriages&formval=

Do the names of their children give any clues to names of the Bawden grandparents?

 

[jmusher]

Thankyou Osprey,
That is a start! Thanks for helping me find the image. You are right about the Edmund. Not definitive at all. We only know of one son, Thomas (no middle name  ) He came to Australia with them, any other children were presumably fostered with either Mary or William's family.

...However, Thomas sparked off a dynasty. Some middle names that may be significant:

Trefusis (this name is very strong in the family but believed to be a very early Bawden connection eg "Mr Bawden was made a freed man of the Castle Trefusis in 1450")
Warne
Penberthy
Dobie
Connor  (unusual for a female middle name?)

These names may be a place to start?
With William listed as a sojourner, could we expect that his home parish was a long way away? Or could he have been from just up the road so to speak?

I can see that a Bawden married a Warne in Perranuthnoe in 1836 (only a few miles away) wrong gender (and timeframe) to be grandparents, but maybe friends of the family? Perranuthnoe is close by. What do you think? I cant see anything for any of the other names I have mentioned.

[osprey]

sojourner gives no clue to where he came from, just that he recently came to St Hilary.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,566850.0.html

Warne/Wearn is common in the area, Penberthy is from West Cornwall. Don't think I've come across Dobie. Could it be Doble?

There's more than enough Bawdens in the surrounding area

These might be the burials for Mary's parents & residence might help with the relevance of Penberthy
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=1502666
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=1502579

So the names might not just be surnames.

 

[osprey]

Penberthy would appear to be associated with mining. Was William a mining engineer?

http://www.cornwallinfocus.co.uk/history/pcrofts.php

[jmusher]

Righto. Penberthy connection noted. Dobie was the name for two generations of Bawdens, no idea of its origin.

I might take a look at first names as well.

Upon arriving in Australia, William (almost immediately it seems) took a job as an engineer on the Steamship "King William" heading to Grafton.
Might this mean that he would likely have been from a coastal area of Cornwall back home? Would his engineer skills have been transferrable to mining, or is ships engineer specific enough to mean that "ships" were his area?

[osprey]

there's more coastal Cornwall that not - coast line is about 200 miles

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/

 

[jmusher]

Maybe I can rule out the Bawdens of Gwennap? Gwennap isn't coastal 
(They had a William Bawden in 1797 who was a possible contender)


Perhaps if we can find Thomas Bawden's (William and Mary Hosking's son) place of birth we might have somewhere to go?
He was born on 24 October 1832 (or maybe 1833 if I trust the ships manifest).
I have been unable to locate his birth...

[osprey]

Gwennap might not be right on the coast, but it's only about 5 miles from Penryn

http://www.cornwall-opc.org/MAPS/parish_map.pdf

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/StGluvias/

I can't find a baptism for Thomas in Cornwall. Could there be non-conformity in the family?