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Re: Where do you draw the line ?
« Reply #18 on: Friday 30 March 12 20:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Iain,

I actually run the website for Rathlin Island (now, badly) so it really is great to get in contact. I suspect you may be under 50 so my records don't include your parents, yet! (hint, hint)

If you have any grandparents or Great grandparents I can probably be of more help since even the Rathlin online database isn't as up-to-date as the master database.

Cheers,

Andy

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Re: Where do you draw the line ?
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 31 March 12 03:21 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Andy_Keogh on Friday 30 March 12 20:29 BST (UK)
I actually run the website for Rathlin Island (now, badly) so it really is great to get in contact. I suspect you may be under 50 so my records don't include your parents, yet! (hint, hint)

If you have any grandparents or Great grandparents I can probably be of more help since even the Rathlin online database isn't as up-to-date as the master database.

Hi Andy.   Great to know you and I must congratulate you on your site, must have taken years to build !

I’m a bit embarrassed for the time being as I’m extremely busy creating a new company, so I have very little time for genealogy.   Funnily enough it’s in relation to my old regiment the Scots Guards. (1642) Lol !   

I’d really like to get back to you on that offer, especially after questioning the source of this post. (the American family who are now back to the 13th century via Rathlin)   But time’s not on my side for the moment.

Have a nice week end..., Iain.


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Re: Where do you draw the line ?
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 11 April 12 23:52 BST (UK) »
I'd say in England it's pretty okay back to the start of C of E registers, I'd one line shot straight back in that direction, but even so, not perfect,( in one generation there's an "either/or" so you can't even count that,) but those fanciful ones with oodles of nobility / royalty, and "My granda was the rightful heir to the Scottish throne..." at least amuse those who enjoy them.
 Most can't honestly be sure long before 1800 unless there's both unusual surname and first names, and firm geographical location - and loads of documentation from independent sources, not "My aunt alice's grandma always said..." - yes?
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Re: Where do you draw the line ?
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 12 April 12 00:18 BST (UK) »
From my experience - I have one line back to late 16th century thanks to survival of church records - and to the help of a relative who happens to be a professional genealogist. Otherwise lines run out in the 18th century if I'm lucky. I do have a line going back to a 1612 birth which I haven't been able to substantiate beyond a family tree copied out of a lost family bible, but which was partly substantiated by the recent tenants of the house concerned. I've found another line quoted in an early edition of Burke's Landed Gentry which leads back pre-Conquest to someone living in 896: the old one of "we came over with William the Conqueror." Wonderful, great fun, romantic, and I would think 99.99% likely to be totally fictional.
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Re: Where do you draw the line ?
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 09 June 12 18:30 BST (UK) »
Hello all, I did find one Anc.tree which led me back to my best link yet   ODIN           
Residence...Valhalla ! Beat that !!!
Regards Alan
Ashby  Kent,Sussex,Middlesex,Leicestershire.
Bloom   London.
Price     London, Wales.
Green   London
Buckley London
Kitchener  London, Middlesex,Essex,Hertfordshire.

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Re: Where do you draw the line ?
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 09 June 12 18:40 BST (UK) »
Was that before or after he lived in Asgard ??

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Malky

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Re: Where do you draw the line ?
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 09 June 12 20:04 BST (UK) »
Malky

Unfortunately that detail wasn't mentioned on the cencus report  :o 
Regards Alan
Ashby  Kent,Sussex,Middlesex,Leicestershire.
Bloom   London.
Price     London, Wales.
Green   London
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Re: Where do you draw the line ?
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 09 June 12 20:25 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Iain2 on Saturday 28 January 12 04:52 GMT (UK)
Hi Ann !   You are up early !  :)   Thanks !

I suppose I could have added that there are many well known families such as the Royals who have cast-iron trees and linking on to them could be one way of going back. 

Unfortunately even with a substantive "gateway ancestor" the evidence should always be checked. I think it was the Mathew Pinsent episode of Who do you think you are that unrolled a genealogy scroll of his family tree linking him to the Royal family and through them to God.

In addition to that there was a very famous fraudster (Gustav Anjou) who produced fake family histories for his clients in the late 19th  century period.

This ScotGen Blog has quite a bit of information about the various fakes out there
http://scotgen.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/fake-family-histories-watch-out.html

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Re: Where do you draw the line ?
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 09 June 12 21:29 BST (UK) »
I have spent many happy hours untangling the consequences of a double hit - an almost certainly erroneous heraldic pedigree then picked up and widely propogated by many people as a result of an Anjou fraud. 

The family - Copley - is often said "to trace its descent from Adam de Copley slain at York in 1070". The documentation is good back to the late 14th century, but the earliest source I can find for the element before that was produced by a member of the College of Heralds in 1630.

Anjou then provided a transatlantic link based amongst other things on a marriage  at Kenilworth in 1628, supposedly from the parish records. The currently known parish records start after that date. That link is also geographically suspect.

The result is many on-line trees running back to 1070. None of them mention Anjou. They are frequently copied - I'd estimate I see another 15 or so versions appearing  each year. And of course the nature of the internet is that the most widely published data "must be right"

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