Marriage lookup Please!!!

[x5girl]

Hi Mabel,
I have made a note of this family as a possible match for my Benjamin.

I have just ordered a Marriage Certificate for Benjamin so hopefully I will be able to move on with this once I find out his fathers name for sure.
Thanks for yor interest.

Best wishes

[x5girl]

Hello ,
Im back again, just got Benjamins marriage certificate back and his father is named as
John Thomas / occupation "Tailor".
So can someone please help with this.I cant find him in 1861 or 1871 census returns
Im now looking for Benjamin Thomas born in St Clears April  2nd 1854. On some of the census returns he is listed as being born in St Clears/ "The Roses"/ and Llandwr....
Any help is most appreciated
Thanks

[Morganllan]

Hello again 

To summarise latest position, you are looking for Benjamin Thomas, born 2nd April 1854, at St Clears, Llanddowror, or Red Roses. On Benjamin's marriage certificate, his Father was named as John Thomas, a Tailor.

Think I've found them in 1871. 

Narberth Road, Castle Dyrran, Carmarthenshire

John Thomas Head age 52 Taylor  born Mynachlogddu, Pembs
Elizabeth Thomas Wife age 50  born Dale, Pembs
Benjamin Thomas Son age 16 Mailcart Driver  born West Roses, Carms
Thomas H Thomas Son age 12 Scholar  born Narberth Road, Carms
Ann M Thomas Dau age 4  born Narberth Road, Carms

RG10 Piece 5508 Folio 3 Page 6

Modified: West Rose was in Eglwys Cymin Parish, and is between Red Roses and Tavernspite. I think the 1861 is incomplete for Castle Dyrran.

Kindest Regards
Morgan

[Morganllan]

Looks like this could be John in 1851:

Shop, Llanddowror

Joseph Davies Head age 20 born Llanddowror  Grocer
John Thomas Servant age 30 born Mynachlogddu, Pembs  General Servant

HO107 Piece 2472 Folio 494 Page 14

Modified - Benjamin's birth was probably in Narberth district, but I can't see 1 for that quarter 
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/narberth.html

[x5girl]

Hello 

Thankyou very much for the information that you have found for me 

This is looking very promising indeed,infact I am sure we have the right family..

I had Benjamins Birth from his GWR records as the date mentioned, so presume this is correct ?
If he was born at "West Rose"  inbetween Tavernspite and Red Roses,could that come under Llandowror Carmarthen District?
I think I will now have to find his parents marriage which would have been between 1851-1854 hopefully in Red Roses/Llandowror area which would make sense..

Benjamin spent his life working on the GWR Railway and progressed to Station Master,living at Castle Dyrran (Clynderwen)  was obvioulsy where the story starts .

Many thanks once again 

[Morganllan]

Hello 

Llanddowror to Red Roses is about 4.5 miles, about Red Roses to Tavernspite is about 1.5 miles. You would pass West Rose on the way!

Use zoom level 3 on this map:

http://streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=219445&y=212380

It's a shame that we can't find them in 1861 as there may be other children who have left home by 1871. John and Elizabeth both seem a little old (age 36 and 34 when Benjamin was born) 

Also the John Thomas I found in 1851 may not be the right one, as the occupation is not the same, even though the birthplace matches. It's difficult with John Thomas marrying Elizabeth, isn't it?

I can't see a birth for Benjamin in the right quarter of 1854. I wonder whether the register office staff could look at the births of Benjamin Thomas at "West Rose" ca 1854. They normally search 2 years either side, and it's a very small place.

Best Wishes
Morgan

[Morganllan]

Looking at it again, I think that West Rose is a farm, and it's been there a long time. See the 1888-89 Carmarthenshire map on here:

http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html?coords=218100,212700

It's still a farm and there's a holiday cottage there, West Rose Barn.

So Benjamin was very specific about his birthplace! 

Picture of the farm:

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1020741

[Morganllan]

In case there's any connection, here's the family at West Rose:

West Rose, Eglwyscummin

1851

John Evans Head age 54 born Llangolman, Pembs  Farmer 50 acres
Jane Evans Wife age 54 born Ludchurch, Pembs
Thomas Evans Son age 20 born Bletherston, Pembs   Dumb
Rosy Evans Dau age 13 born Bletherston, Pembs  Scholar

HO107 Piece 2475 Folio 314 Page 1


1861

John Evans Head age 63 Farmer  born Llangolman, Pembsl
Jane Evans Wife age 68 born Llandwey, Pembs
Eliza Evans Dau age 26 Dairymaid  born Bletherstone Pembs
John Reed Nephew age 14  Scholar born Cadoxton, Glam

RG9 Piece 4148 Folio 77 Page 2