Mawby - Long Lawford. A puzzle! *COMPLETED*

[Slipper]

Thank you for this.  I have Elizabeth down as the daughter of Richard & Dorothy rather than William & Dorothy - I'll have to go back and check.  Elizabeth Matthews and William Mawby had 2 children, William born 1817 and John born 1818.  Her age at her death in October 1847 is given as 69 but in the 1841 census it is given as 56.  I think in all probability she is the Elizabeth of 1776 although I don't know whether she gave birth to Thomas.  Also I don't know what happened to him.

Was your ancestor, William, the one who married Bathsheba Drackley?  Also, just to satisfy my curiosity, have you any idea why we have Liggins alias Checklands and Checklands alias Liggins?  I don't think I've come across this before.

Thanks

Slipper

[behindthefrogs]

Sorry!  Its Richard and Dorothy that was my error.

The ages of the children are obviously possible and so it could be the right Elizabeth.  I had her son Thomas in my notes but not a marriage to William Mawby.

Yes, Bathsheba Drakeley was my gt gt Grandmother.

Mary Liggins (alias Checkland) was the daughter of William Checkland Liggins and Elizabeth nee Fennell.  I haven't chased this but I suspect that I need to look closer at the marriage history of William's mother if I can find her.  He was probably either illegitimate or there was a second marriage.

If you want more on the Matthews family (or the Drakeleys) pm me with an email address and I will send you a summary document of what I know.

David

[Slipper]

Hi David

More info. on the Matthews' would be much appreciated.  I don't have any direct connection with the Drakeley family, I just thought Bathsheba had a wonderful name!

I am wondering if Thomas (1809) could be the son of Elizabeth (1771) as I can't find a burial and knowing that Elizabeth (1776) stayed in the village I would have expected Thomas to have appeared in one of the censuses.

Slipper

[z]

Hi Slipper

I have just caught up on all the new information, so no mention of a Mawby on the certificate How about an address does that tie in with any census info you have?

Interesting the mention of a Sarah Burton though as I had come across this ...............

1851 H0107 2069 137 29 - Civil Parish Long Lawford - Address Lawford Hill
Transcribed as Kurton but I think it looks like Burton
Sarah Burton Head Widow 57 Long Lawford - Field Woman
Elizabeth Clark daugh unmar 25 Long Lawford - at home

there is an Elizabeth Clark 15 living just above Elizabeth Mawby in 1841 ............... I wonder, could she be the same girl?

And an Elizabeth Clarke Servant in Newbold on Avon on the 14 Sept 1851 baptized her son a John Frederick Clarke

Maybe this could be Sarah Burton in 1841 not far from the Mawby family .............

Susannah Burton 68 Carpenters Widow
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Sarah Burton 44 Carpenters Widow
James 9
Emma 7
All born in County

And to add I also came across this which I thought worthy of a mention ..................
Marriage of a William Burton Bachelor and Sarah Clarke Spinster in the Parish of St Michael Coventry 29 July 1832 both of this Parish (although if I remember this correctly they would only need to be there for abt 3wks to make this claim) married by Banns - Witnesses Wm Bird? and Mary Clarke

Forgive me if you have this already but as I mentioned earlier I do love a good puzzle

All the very best

Z

[jim1]

to recap,this is how it seems to pan out to me:
William Mawby married Elizabeth Matthews.
They had 2 sons:William b.1817 & John b.1819.
John Mawby married Charlotte Burton b.1822 who were witnesses at Mary Clarke's marriage to Joseph Batchelor.
Prior to marriage Mary Clarke had 2 children:Frederick Clarke AKA Mawby (1841 cen.) b.1836/41 & Ellen Clarke AKA Mawby (1861 cen.) b.1844.
John & Charlotte Mawby's son was a witness at Ellen's marriage to John Lake.
Mary Clarke was the daughter of Thomas Clarke who had possibly 2 more children John (witness at John Mawby's marriage) & Elizabeth who also had an illegitimate child John b.1851.
It looks like William Mawby was probably the father of  Mary Clarke's children.
There's a death for a William Mawby 1843 Rugby.
A possible scenario is that Mary was waiting around for a proposal from William which never came having already had one child Frederick who was being looked after by the Mawby's while Mary worked.
William may then have died in 1843 while Mary was pregnant with Ellen & having her christened after his death as a Mawby because he couldn't object and/or the Mawby's  may have wanted her christened in that name as a memorial.his christian name wouldn't have been put on because they weren't married & he wasn't there to give permission.Now knowing that a marriage wasn't going to happen she married someone else.

jim

[Slipper]

Hi Z & Jim

Thanks so much for continuing to help with this as it really sustains me when I think I'm going mad!  Regarding the death cert. for Frederick Clarke, there is no address - just Long Lawford.
I think your finds re the Burtons & Clarkes really interesting.  I know that a William Burton married a Susannah Hill in Newbold (1802).  They had several children, one of which was James Hill (1804) and one of which was William (1805).  I believe it was this William who married Sarah (of the census) and I suspect the probability is that it was Sarah Clarke.  William and Sarah had 2 children baptised at Newbold - James Hill (1834) & Emma Bliss(?) (1835).  Further a William Burton was buried at Newbold 1.5.1841 aged 32 and from Long Lawford.  Unfortunately I can't find a baptism for Elizabeth Clarke.  I looked in both Newbold and Coventry St. Michael's (long shot).  However, Sarah can't have been the mother of Mary Clarke because Mary gives the name of her father as Thomas Clarke and Sarah wasn't married to a Clarke.
Regarding Jim's conjecture, I don't know who the William Mawby is who died in 1843 but maybe all of this is nothing to do with my Mawby's!!  William Mawby who married Elizabeth Matthews died 1829, aged 42, and his son William (who married Susannah Mary Hay in 1849) died in 1854. Also, I don't know that Ellen Mawby ever referred to herself as Ellen Clarke.  At her baptism, in all of the censuses and at her marriage she was Ellen Mawby.  Was she Ellen Clarke?  I think I'll go and do the crossword!
Slipper

[Slipper]

I've spent some time lookin at the Clarke family again.  I think I've found the baptism of Elizabeth - she was named Betsy - at Newbold 14.9.1823.

So, in 1841 census we have 3 Clarkes: 1) William 2) Thomas 3) Sarah.  In the preceding generation there were 2 Clarke couples - John & Elizabeth and John & Mary so William, Thomas and Sarah could be siblings, cousins or no relation.  Elizabeth is the daughter of Sarah but where Mary fits in I don't know.

An interesting find is the birth registration of Ellen Elizabeth Clarke in Rugby 1844.  I don't know how I missed this before but I'm following it up.

Slipper

[z]

Good Morning Slipper

How was the crossword

I have tried and failed to find anything conclusive which would link the Mawby and Clarke family

Considering the coverage of Warwickshire information online etc etc I would like to think that something would have turned up but nothing - so I am beginning to wonder whether there was a link at all

Forgive me but could Mary have been illegitimate or abandoned and Elizabeth Mawby only having two sons William and John(possibly three, Thomas) took in Mary and brought her up as one of her own - although there does not appear to be a baptism for Mary in Newbold she clearly considered herself to be from that area as she is consistent with her birthplace in the census, she married in Newbold, she baptised her children there and eventually returned to the area to live but why no mention of a Thomas Clarke, other than on her marriage certificate, could she have fibbed?

My own g g grandmother lost her father when she was very young and turned up in a household under a different surname but was shown as this couples daughter - now I know she was not their daughter and her mother who eventually remarried kept the other children with her but she obviously could not support the entire family and let my g g grandmother "go", so maybe something similar happened.

An interesting find by the way Ellen Elizabeth Clarke - as I decided to look for Elizabeth Clarke and her son John Frederick Clarke and there does appear to be some name similiarites ...................

Freereg Marriage 16 June 1854 Coventry St Thomas Spon End George Payne 30 and Elizabeth Clarke 31 gives her fathers name as William Clarke labourer?

Just in case there are some Clarkes in Spon End that might be worth looking into which I think you will find here .....

1841 - H0107 1152 Book 12 Dist 25 Folio 26 Pg 2
1851 - H0107 2067 648 4

I could not find this couple in 1861 but there is census missing for Newbold, Little Lawford and Long Lawford and would also explain why I couldn't find Sarah Burton as according to Freereg she died in Newbold 1863 however I think this could be them in 1871 ....................

[z]

RG10 3183 127 10 - Civil Parish Newbold - Address Holbrook? Cottage
George Payne Head mar 46 Stockton Warks - Police Constable
Elizabeth wife 47 Long Lawford
John F Payne son unmar 19 Long Lawford - Compositor
Charlotte daugh unmar 13 Long Lawford
Noah son 8 Long Lawford
Ellen 5 daugh Long Lawford

Freereg and family search have baptisms for the children of George and Elizabeth but I cannot find a baptism  for a John F Payne amongst them although I have found his death .........

10 Sept 1871 Long Lawford - John Frederick (son of George and Elizabeth) Pain - 20 

So John Frederick Clarke baptised a Clarke but went by the name of Payne/Pain?

Oh well I think I shall go and do the crossword too

All the best

Z