Waddell Families in Shotts

[nkbauer]

I did a look up for Ann Waddle on Family Search and did find her children with Matthew Smellie in the IGI.
I have also found lots of DoB'sfor other relatives  that I hadn't had before. Thanks again.
Nan

[MelW66]

So it looks like this is a very old post, but I'd be keen to hear if there have been any updates. Christian Bryce (born 1734) and James Waddell (born circa 1737), are my ancestors 7 generations removed. I guess that makes them my great, great, great, great, great grandparents. But I am finding it hard to pin down the birth, death and parents of James Waddell. There appear to be quite a few in that general area of Scotland at around the same time and same age.

I think it is most likely to be James Waddell, son of William Waddell, born or baptised 08/05/1737 in Shotts. But that is just a guess. On various other "trees" there seem to be at least 2 other James Waddells connected to Christian Bryce. But as there is no marriage record for Christian and James (no existing records from Kirk of Shotts in those years) all I have is a birth/baptism record of all 5 children listed on one page. That would seem to indicate that it was written much later - perhaps by someone keen to preserve the information even though the records were missing. Or maybe all 5 children were baptised together years later for some reason unbeknown to me.

One of the James Waddells that has been attached to Christian on another tree is said to be the son of William Daniel Waddell and Janet Fleming (Fleeming). But I don't think that is likely as when I check the records on ScotlandsPeople, they only had one child, Alexander, who was born the year that their son James was supposedly born - different months so not twins. Then another one has Christian's spouse listed as James Waddell son of Robert Waddell and Marion Walker. But this James Waddell seems to have been born in a more well-to-do family, and unlikely to have been a tenant at Easter Baton farm.

What I would like to see is a nicely organised family tree of all these Waddells and how they relate to one another. Wouldn't that be great? But without further information, I am finding myself going around in circles trying to identify which James Waddell belongs to the Bryce line. So if anyone has any further information I'd be really keen to hear it. Thank you.

[MelW66]

In response to the question;
Also, are the following baptisms, both from Shotts Parish Register, two listings for the same child, or two different children?
First: 1789 James Waddel in Mont Cow and Gramare his lawful married spouse had a Son born there upon the 10th July and Baptized Named John Waddel.
Second: 1789 James Waddel in Monknow and Helen Cromar spouse had a child born the 18th July and named John.

I can't see any of those records at all on Scotlands People. All I can see for 1789 is:
WADDELL, JAMES; JAMES WADDELL/JANET STUART FR1508 (FR1508) M 19/10/1789 644/1 180 214 Glasgow
WADDELL, JAMES; JAMES WADDELL/ELISABETH GRAY FR1513 (FR1513) M 07/12/1789 644/1 180 223 Glasgow
WADDELL, JAMES; JOHN WADDELL/JANET BLAIR FR252 267 (FR267) M 19/11/1789 495/ 20 31
Cumbernauld

So where do you get these other records from?
thanks,
Melanie

[Forfarian]

In response to the question;
Also, are the following baptisms, both from Shotts Parish Register, two listings for the same child, or two different children?
First: 1789 James Waddel in Mont Cow and Gramare his lawful married spouse had a Son born there upon the 10th July and Baptized Named John Waddel.
Second: 1789 James Waddel in Monknow and Helen Cromar spouse had a child born the 18th July and named John.

I can't see any of those records at all on Scotlands People.

Were you searching for Waddell with a double L? Because they are on Scotland's People with a single L.

I usually search for Wad*l* because that picks up most of the spelling variations.

As for whether they are the same person, I think they probably are two records of one person, because both are in Mountcow, by one of its myriad spellings.

[Forfarian]

So it looks like this is a very old post, but I'd be keen to hear if there have been any updates. Christian Bryce (born 1734) and James Waddell (born circa 1737), are my ancestors 7 generations removed. I guess that makes them my great, great, great, great, great grandparents. But I am finding it hard to pin down the birth, death and parents of James Waddell. There appear to be quite a few in that general area of Scotland at around the same time and same age.

That is exactly the problem. And there are probably others whose baptism records have not survived.

I think it is most likely to be James Waddell, son of William Waddell, born or baptised 08/05/1737 in Shotts. But that is just a guess.

It's possible. I can't quite make out the name of where his father was, but I am sure it's not Mountcow or Easter Baton so it's anyone's guess. See attached screenshot.

On various other "trees" there seem to be at least 2 other James Waddells connected to Christian Bryce.

Never believe online trees. You cannot rely on them being correct. They can be useful pointers for research, but if they contradict one another you can only be sure that at least one of them is wrong.

One of the James Waddells that has been attached to Christian on another tree is said to be the son of William Daniel Waddell and Janet Fleming (Fleeming). But I don't think that is likely as when I check the records on ScotlandsPeople, they only had one child, Alexander, who was born the year that their son James was supposedly born - different months so not twins.

I agree. (Where did 'Daniel' come from? There is no record on Scotland's People of any Wil* Dan* W*d*l*) William W*d*l* and J*n*t* Fl*m*n* had two recorded children; Mary, baptised in Kilsyth in 1723 and Alexander, baptised in Glasgow in 1734. As you say, there is no record of a son James, so unless you can track down and evaluate the source of that bit of information, don't trust it.

Then another one has Christian's spouse listed as James Waddell son of Robert Waddell and Marion Walker. But this James Waddell seems to have been born in a more well-to-do family, and unlikely to have been a tenant at Easter Baton farm.

I can nail that one at least. James Waddell of Airdriehill, son of Robert Waddell of Stanrigg and Marion Walker, baptised in 1737, married Janet McLean, daughter of James McLean of Medrox and Janet Duncan.

What I would like to see is a nicely organised family tree of all these Waddells and how they relate to one another. Wouldn't that be great?

Yes. I've been trying to do that for decades.

[Rosinish]

Forfarian,

Why don't you add the image to the deciphering board as some of those text contributors are excellent?

Annie

[MelW66]

From the record of James Waddell, son of William Waddell, born or baptised 08/05/1737 in Shotts, it looks like he was "in Suirpty". I bought an old ordnance survey map to look for possible matches, but haven't located anything so far. The closest I could find was "smithy" which I think relates to where the blacksmith or other -smith trade was probably located.

I use W*d*l* and other variations when searching, so that I get all the possible spelling variations.

[MelW66]

"What I would like to see is a nicely organised family tree of all these Waddells and how they relate to one another. Wouldn't that be great?
Yes. I've been trying to do that for decades."

Do you have a big wall chart with all the branches that are known listed?

I downloaded all the WADDELLS, with all the variant spellings from 1700-1800 from Scotlands People (just the search results, not the images) and put them into a spreadsheet. I didn't do all 96 pages of results, just those from Lanark, West Lothian and a few other parishes. I am hoping to put them in some kind of order that might help find some trees.

[MelW66]

Could it be swinstie? with a different spelling? There's a Swinstie Rd in Cleland on google maps which is close to where Swinstie is located on the Old Ordnance map. Perhaps it was written as suinsty with the second s looking like a p?