Paine/Raine/Rasin

[bella9]

We are trying to find out what happened to the family listed as Rasin in the 1841 census at Romford, Essex.  Parents are John 60, Elizabeth 45, Richard, 15, Maryann 15, Caroline 11, Noah 9, Allen 7.

The only similar one I can find on the 1851 census is for Allen Pain in Middlesex working as an apprentice shoemaker, who says he was born in Essex. 

Because the 1841 census writing is so bad, it is hard to understand exactly what the surname is.

My husband ancestor is Noah Paine - parents John and Elizabeth, Mother living in Upminster Essex( according to his shipping record in 1849 when he came to Australia).   This family seems to match up but I can find no trace of anyone else other than Allen in 1851.   The 1841 census says that John, Elizabeth & Richard were born elsewhere.

If anyone else is researching this family and could shed some light on things for us it would be great.

Bella9

[suffolk*sue]

I checked the Upminster registers and couldn't find any baptisms for this family.


There is an Allen Payne buried in St. Mary Magdalene, Woolwich on 20th January, 1855 aged 18yrs = abode the Ordnance Hospital.

This might be a coincidence but the day before 19th January a John Pain aged 71yrs was buried.

An Elizabeth Payne, abode Workhouse died 26th April, buried 30th April, 1855 aged 63yrs = St. Alphege, Greenwich.

I found the following in the 1851 census.

PAINE
John 66 Greenwich pensioner, born Gt. Yarmouth Norfolk
Elizabeth 57 born Limehouse Middlesex

 HO107; Piece: 1586; Folio: 195; Page: 22 = Greenwich Kent

[bella9]

Thanks for that Sue, but still a long way to go to confirm whether they are indeed the same family.  The thing is that from the 1841 census, the surname is very difficult to read, and it may not be paine but something else.  There is a family story that the name was something else back in England.

I will keep this in mind.

Cheers
Bella9

[Abbyrock]

Hi, I unfortunately haven't got any info for you in regards to your above post (I'm a beginner still, and haven't really managed to find the time to do any research yet), I'm hoping you can tell me if this family migrated to Adelaide? If so, can you please PM me and I'll send you what I've got to see if we at least have a link. Thanks, Courtney Pain :)

[bella9]

Hi Courtney

Our Noah came to Australia in 1849.  Settled in nsw in the manning valley. We do not know of any other siblings of Nash in australa but it is very possible

Janelle

[suffolk*sue]

Adding a bit more and don't know why I didn't look before.

St. Laurence Upminster.

December 18th, 1849
William Broyd,widower,age 56yrs of Grays, carpenter, father Samuel Broyd, labourer
Elizabeth Paine,widow,age 56yrs,laundress,father Richard Hendley,labourer
by banns
witnesses
Peter Smith
Caroline Paine


1851, they are in Grays, Elizabeths birthplace is Hampshire.  HO107; Piece: 1773; Folio: 160; Page: 7


Looking at the 1851 image the birthplace looks like Wallop

This looks like Eliz. baptism

Elizabeth Hendly
bap. 13th June, 1793
dau of Richard and Elizabeth
Nether Wallop, Hampshire

Richard Hendly married Elizabeth Parker in Nether Wallop, 13th October, 1788.


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John Pain of Upminster buried June 1st, 1845 aged 67yrs = Aveley

Elizabeth Broyd buried February 27th, 1874, aged 80yrs. = South Ockenden.

[suffolk*sue]

St. Clement, West Thurrock

January 11th, 1851
John Weatherhead Edwards, bach, 25, shoemaker, father Peter Edwards, warder
Caroline Paine, spinster, 21, father John Paine, wordman
both of Purfleet
witnesses
George Walkins
Elizabeth Ann Herbert


They are in West Thurrock in 1851.    HO107; Piece: 1773; Folio: 111; Page: 3

[suffolk*sue]

I think Richard Paine is here in 1851, birthplace Weyhill, Hampshire.  HO107; Piece: 1495; Folio: 228; Page: 38 = St. Pancras, Middlesex.

Richard Payne
bap. 26th July, 1822
son of John and Elizabeth
Weyhill, Hampshire.


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All Saints and St. Faith, Childerditch
November 29th,1845
Richard Paine, bachelor,labourer of Upminster, father John Paine, labourer
Elizabeth Hammond,spinster of Childerditch,father James Hammond,bricklayer
both of full age
witnesses
Thomas Turner
Elizabeth Newman

[suffolk*sue]

Hampshire marriages.

Both at Monxton

Thomas Masters
Elizabeth Hendley
5th November, 1816



Thomas Masters buried 9th April, 1820 aged 26yrs = Monxton





John Paine
Elizabeth Masters
29th November, 1821


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Baptisms to Thomas and Elizabeth Masters at Monxton

Sarah, 29th December, 1816
Jane, 9th April, 1820